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Maemomd 2012-03-08 21:11
[Request] TweakFlashVer for the N9
 
Now that we have Flash for Fennec, I was hoping we could get a port from N900 to the N9 for TweakFlashVer, since most of the sites I have tried on Firefox required Ver.10.2 or higher...On my N900, I am able to access any site with Flash just by changing the "version" of Flash via TweakFlashVer...I know that there is a patch to switch to 10.2 on the Flash in Ovi Store thread, but some people are crippling their devices with that patch, so it is not tried and true yet.

It would be very helpful to our community to have this as we do for the N900. Let me know what you think, hopefully we can get the devs on board. :)

legoman666 2012-03-09 00:07
Re: [Request] TweakFlashVer for the N9
 
Would it be possible to just find the version info in the flash binary and change it in a hex editor?

Iktwo 2012-03-09 00:18
Re: [Request] TweakFlashVer for the N9
 
I'll try to do it using the source for the N900, btw the file it's located in
/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so If I can edit it I'll post here how

legoman666 2012-03-09 00:21
Re: [Request] TweakFlashVer for the N9
 
Yeah, it worked. What should I test (that is, why do you want to do this?)

http://i.imgur.com/SUod6.png

Maemomd 2012-03-09 06:15
Re: [Request] TweakFlashVer for the N9
 
Many were having issues with streaming sites, like vimeo, crunchyroll.com, hbogo, and live streaming YouTube and other sites, many of these are still on lower versions of flash but have higher certs...if we can get a port of Tweakflashver ported over to the n9/950, Flash could be much more useful to the community.

olympus 2012-03-09 17:44
Re: [Request] TweakFlashVer for the N9
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by legoman666 (Post 1176828)
Yeah, it worked. What should I test (that is, why do you want to do this?)

http://i.imgur.com/SUod6.png
So how did you do it?

cddiede 2012-03-09 19:23
Re: [Request] TweakFlashVer for the N9
 
playing videos on Facebook is a common thing that you can't do on the stock flashplayer on the N900, but that does work with the hex edited version number increase.

The N9's Flash plugin also can't play facebbok videos, so I'd love to see if your hex edit allows that to work now.

legoman666 2012-03-09 23:21
Re: [Request] TweakFlashVer for the N9
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by olympus (Post 1177144)
So how did you do it?
I opened libflashplayer.so in a hex editor and replaced all instances of the version info with false numbers. Vimeo and Hulu still don't work though.

Sazpaimon 2012-03-09 23:25
Re: [Request] TweakFlashVer for the N9
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by legoman666 (Post 1177237)
I opened libflashplayer.so in a hex editor and replaced all instances of the version info with false numbers. Vimeo and Hulu still don't work though.
I posted about Vimeo in the other thread. Basically, Vimeo tries to detect if you're using a mobile device by your screen resolution, and wont load the flash player if that's the case. I don't know if Hulu does anything similar.

I posted a sort of "solution" for Vimeo here

Maemomd 2012-03-10 15:55
Re: [Request] TweakFlashVer for the N9
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by legoman666 (Post 1177237)
I opened libflashplayer.so in a hex editor and replaced all instances of the version info with false numbers. Vimeo and Hulu still don't work though.
Could we package this up in different versions?

olympus 2012-03-10 16:38
Re: [Request] TweakFlashVer for the N9
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by legoman666 (Post 1177237)
I opened libflashplayer.so in a hex editor and replaced all instances of the version info with false numbers. Vimeo and Hulu still don't work though.
Well i'm trying to do that too, but when i try to overwrite the file i get access denied.

legoman666 2012-03-10 16:52
Re: [Request] TweakFlashVer for the N9
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by olympus (Post 1177507)
Well i'm trying to do that too, but when i try to overwrite the file i get access denied.
This is modified to be version 11.1: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6966783/libflashplayer.so

Close Firefox, open terminal on phone:
Code:
wget http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6966783/libflashplayer.so
devel-su
<rootme>
mv /opt/adobe-flashplayer/libflashplayer.so /opt/adobe-flashplayer/libflashplayer.so.bak
cp /home/user/libflashplayer.so  /opt/adobe-flashplayer/
Open Firefox. Should work. Not responsible for any bad results though ;)

olympus 2012-03-10 17:48
Re: [Request] TweakFlashVer for the N9
 
Thanks, it works. Unfortunately, this doesn't solve a thing, all stays the same, most of the streams/videos won't play. Instead of the upgrade your flash player i get black screen with no sound. No fb videos, etc.

latency 2012-03-10 23:38
Re: [Request] TweakFlashVer for the N9
 
TweakFlashVer for the N9 for the win!
Are we there yet!? :D

olympus 2012-03-10 23:57
Re: [Request] TweakFlashVer for the N9
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by latency (Post 1177633)
TweakFlashVer for the N9 for the win!
Are we there yet!? :D
I just wrote, there's no need for tweaking flash version because the flash content won't work either way.

Maemomd 2012-03-11 03:49
Re: [Request] TweakFlashVer for the N9
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by olympus (Post 1177637)
I just wrote, there's no need for tweaking flash version because the flash content won't work either way.
In TweakFlashVer, certain sites thought I was running a desktop version of Flash, is this the same case that you tried? With different versions to choose from when I used it on the n900, I was able to change from desktop to mobile versions for different optimized content. This is one of the reasons TweakFlashVer was great, the ability to choose from multiple versions to trick sites into mobile or desktop...

Hopefully the original dev can do this for us...

aironeous 2012-03-11 03:53
Re: [Request] TweakFlashVer for the N9
 
Somebody already stated in a different thread that comedy central sites like the daily show and colbertnation will work if you tweak the flash version and set the FF add on phony for user agent desktop.

Maemomd 2012-03-11 04:01
Re: [Request] TweakFlashVer for the N9
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by aironeous (Post 1177692)
Somebody already stated in a different thread that comedy central sites like the daily show and colbertnation will work if you tweak the flash version and set the FF add on phony for user agent desktop.
I will try to contact the original dev for this tomorrow, at this point, TweakFlashVer is the best way to optimize Flash for us. :)

latency 2012-03-11 17:14
Re: [Request] TweakFlashVer for the N9
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by olympus (Post 1177637)
I just wrote, there's no need for tweaking flash version because the flash content won't work either way.
Oh I didn't know what you meant by that actually. Please explain and I will listen. Do you mean that TweakFlashVer won't do any difference at all based on the result of your manual flash tweak test? Did your experiment cover all the things that TweakFlashVer could do?

I might be way off here, but I have a feeling that some sites that require a higher version of flash will work when using TweakFlashVer and some won't despite using it. It all probably depends on what kind of flash object a specific site use. Sometimes all that is needed is to trick it to think it's a higher version than what we're using and sometimes it actually requires something that a higher version only offers (and in those situations it won't work). From what I've read version 10 and 11 are pretty similar so many times I think it will be enough to trick the site to think we're using version 11.

Maemomd 2012-03-12 03:59
Re: [Request] TweakFlashVer for the N9
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by latency (Post 1177934)
Oh I didn't know what you meant by that actually. Please explain and I will listen. Do you mean that TweakFlashVer won't do any difference at all based on the result of your manual flash tweak test? Did your experiment cover all the things that TweakFlashVer could do?

I might be way off here, but I have a feeling that some sites that require a higher version of flash will work when using TweakFlashVer and some won't despite using it. It all probably depends on what kind of flash object a specific site use. Sometimes all that is needed is to trick it to think it's a higher version than what we're using and sometimes it actually requires something that a higher version only offers (and in those situations it won't work). From what I've read version 10 and 11 are pretty similar so many times I think it will be enough to trick the site to think we're using version 11.
+1 In my experience with TweakFlashVer for the n900, most of the sites were still using a very low version of Flash for their own development on the site, but they had only upgraded their certs to the latest. I was able to utilize Flash on so many sites due to this. Gerbik mentioned in another thread that Version 11 of Flash is used more for 3d type environments, and only a handful of sites actually dev for that. Will get in contact with original dev for port of TweakFlashVer for the N9.

latency 2012-03-12 05:50
Re: [Request] TweakFlashVer for the N9
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maemomd (Post 1178141)
Will get in contact with original dev for port of TweakFlashVer for the N9.
Thanks Maemomd, let us know what the dev says.

RafaelVlmendes 2012-03-12 06:25
Re: [Request] TweakFlashVer for the N9
 
Flash 11.1 no work for JW player, TV online and streaming movies.. What happen why show a blackscreen? .. any know the problem?

olympus 2012-03-13 15:52
Re: [Request] TweakFlashVer for the N9
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by latency (Post 1177934)
Oh I didn't know what you meant by that actually. Please explain and I will listen. Do you mean that TweakFlashVer won't do any difference at all based on the result of your manual flash tweak test? Did your experiment cover all the things that TweakFlashVer could do?

I might be way off here, but I have a feeling that some sites that require a higher version of flash will work when using TweakFlashVer and some won't despite using it. It all probably depends on what kind of flash object a specific site use. Sometimes all that is needed is to trick it to think it's a higher version than what we're using and sometimes it actually requires something that a higher version only offers (and in those situations it won't work). From what I've read version 10 and 11 are pretty similar so many times I think it will be enough to trick the site to think we're using version 11.
I'm a bit disappointed to say this but based on my results with manually tweaked flash version, it doesn't help to load even a site more. I tried grooveshark and some other video streaming sites. The objects that previously required flash 11 are now black and nothing happens. Nothing changed with video streams that had black screens and only played audio.. same old.

Maemomd 2012-03-13 18:48
Re: [Request] TweakFlashVer for the N9
 
I pm'ed the dev, attilia77, here is the original TweakFlashVer thread for the n900:

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...=tweakflashver

I am sure others and myself are willing to pay for this tweak, it would be ultra helpful, and we would not have to keep going to manually hexediting...especially when different sites are optimized for different 'versions'.

Maemomd 2012-03-13 18:49
Re: [Request] TweakFlashVer for the N9
 
Also, there was an update this morning on Flash for my phone, has anyone checked to see if that has helped any of the above sites tested?

latency 2012-03-14 07:15
Re: [Request] TweakFlashVer for the N9
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by olympus (Post 1178904)
I'm a bit disappointed to say this but based on my results with manually tweaked flash version, it doesn't help to load even a site more. I tried grooveshark and some other video streaming sites. The objects that previously required flash 11 are now black and nothing happens. Nothing changed with video streams that had black screens and only played audio.. same old.
Grooveshark works for me. The live streams are what's not working for me.

olympus 2012-03-14 11:09
Re: [Request] TweakFlashVer for the N9
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by latency (Post 1179218)
Grooveshark works for me. The live streams are what's not working for me.
hm... That's weird. Are you using tweaked version or the default one? I can't get it to play a song.

pelago 2012-03-14 11:10
Re: [Request] TweakFlashVer for the N9
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by legoman666 (Post 1176823)
Would it be possible to just find the version info in the flash binary and change it in a hex editor?
That's basically what TweakFlashVer does.

By the way, if anyone is developing this for N9, can I suggest they call it FakeFlashVer or something? Often people wonder, when they change the version number, why it doesn't actually work with some sites. By calling the app FakeFlashVer or similar, hopefully it will be clearer that the version number is just being faked - they aren't really upgrading to Flash 11, Flash 12 etc.

latency 2012-03-14 11:38
Re: [Request] TweakFlashVer for the N9
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by olympus (Post 1179269)
hm... That's weird. Are you using tweaked version or the default one? I can't get it to play a song.
Nope I'm using the regular one. You have to change the user agent in Fennec too so that Grooveshark thinks it's a desktop browser.

Maemomd 2012-03-14 18:39
Re: [Request] TweakFlashVer for the N9
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pelago (Post 1179270)
That's basically what TweakFlashVer does.

By the way, if anyone is developing this for N9, can I suggest they call it FakeFlashVer or something? Often people wonder, when they change the version number, why it doesn't actually work with some sites. By calling the app FakeFlashVer or similar, hopefully it will be clearer that the version number is just being faked - they aren't really upgrading to Flash 11, Flash 12 etc.
Not a bad idea! I think people definitely get confused when I explain to them it is an easier way to change the 'version' instead of hexediting all the time. Going to try 'Phony' to change the user agent for ffox and see if that helps as well. The dev for the original 'TweakFlashVer' has been MIA from this forum for quite a few months, so if a new dev can work on this, would be greatly appreciated, and we can set up a donation fund for them as well.

Edit: Tried out Phony, doesn't help with video streaming...good stuff though.

latency 2012-03-16 06:56
Re: [Request] TweakFlashVer for the N9
 
Maemomd, have you heard anything from the author of TweakFlashVer? Any comments made about making a port for N9?

Maemomd 2012-03-16 19:07
Re: [Request] TweakFlashVer for the N9
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by latency (Post 1180154)
Maemomd, have you heard anything from the author of TweakFlashVer? Any comments made about making a port for N9?
Going to try him again...his profile has shown activity lately, but no posting...hopefully he sees this thread. He has not gotten back to me on my previous PM...

I have tried a bunch of flash sites even with Phony in place, streaming video is not there, just black screen, not even a notification, and constant buffering. What are your thoughts on our GPU? Since the n900 was flash all around, it was GPU supported. Without this, is the N9 capable, since it is only flash for Fennec? Hopefully this issue can be fixed with multiple hexediting for each case, hence our need for TweakFlashVer.

latency 2012-03-16 21:43
Re: [Request] TweakFlashVer for the N9
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maemomd (Post 1180378)
Going to try him again...his profile has shown activity lately, but no posting...hopefully he sees this thread. He has not gotten back to me on my previous PM...

I have tried a bunch of flash sites even with Phony in place, streaming video is not there, just black screen, not even a notification, and constant buffering. What are your thoughts on our GPU? Since the n900 was flash all around, it was GPU supported. Without this, is the N9 capable, since it is only flash for Fennec? Hopefully this issue can be fixed with multiple hexediting for each case, hence our need for TweakFlashVer.
I'm not sure about the GPU...it might be why we can't play live streams. Someone responsible for the flash release for Fennec should know the answer...I don't remember his name though. If I remember correctly Jalyst had conversations with someone that worked on it.

Maemomd 2012-03-17 22:30
Re: [Request] TweakFlashVer for the N9
 
I pm'ed Jalyst about it, hopefully he will chime in about GPU vs. non-GPU...I know erendorn asked this question as well in the announcement on the flash thread...but his question wasn't answered.

jalyst 2012-03-18 05:37
Re: [Request] TweakFlashVer for the N9
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maemomd (Post 1180378)
I have tried a bunch of flash sites even with Phony in place, streaming video is not there, just black screen, not even a notification, and constant buffering. What are your thoughts on our GPU? Since the n900 was flash all around, it was GPU supported. Without this, is the N9 capable, since it is only flash for Fennec? Hopefully this issue can be fixed with multiple hexediting for each case, hence our need for TweakFlashVer.
This is with the modified FP10.1 binary?
I don't think the N900 binary was hw accelerated, maybe decoding was accelerated.
This is the same for FP10.1 on N9, as confirmed by Romaxa:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...64#post1175364
Maybe try PM'ing romaxa with a summary of all the questions in this & other threads.
I don't think the problem is to do with "GPU support".
I think it's more along the lines of this...
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...30#post1177130
It may simply come down to certain sites "really needing" a FP11x binary.

latency 2012-03-18 06:16
Re: [Request] TweakFlashVer for the N9
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1180912)
This is with the modified FP10.1 binary?
I don't think the N900 binary was hw accelerated, maybe decoding was accelerated.
This is the same for FP10.1 on N9, as confirmed by Romaxa:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...64#post1175364
Maybe try PM'ing romaxa with a summary of all the questions in this & other threads.
I don't think the problem is to do with "GPU support".
I think it's more along the lines of this...
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...30#post1177130
It may simply come down to certain sites "really needing" a FP11x binary.
Do you think the live streaming issue could just be that most of those links requires Flash 11? That would be bad for us...because their won't be a flash 11 I guess...or would it? Has Romaxa said anything about it? My feeling was that he did his best to get flash 10 out before he left working on flash for N9 (but also mentioned that their were others working on the flash 10-version)

jalyst 2012-03-19 07:23
Re: [Request] TweakFlashVer for the N9
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by latency (Post 1180923)
Do you think the live streaming issue could just be that most of those links requires Flash 11? That would be bad for us...because their won't be a flash 11 I guess...or would it? Has Romaxa said anything about it? My feeling was that he did his best to get flash 10 out before he left working on flash for N9 (but also mentioned that their were others working on the flash 10-version)
I could be wrong but I think jolo did much of the leg work ensuring FP10.1 happened.
He has left now, leaving romaxa as the main contact in the community.
I doubt they'll pursue 11x, they decided to fall short of pursuing 11x as it was taking ages.
Well, that was the main excuse they gave publicly...

As for no FP11x being the reason I really don't know...
There's no doubt some sites won't work, even when told Fennec's using FP11x.

latency 2012-03-19 08:01
Re: [Request] TweakFlashVer for the N9
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1181339)
I could be wrong but I think jolo did much of the leg work ensuring FP10.1 happened.
He has left now, leaving romaxa as the main contact in the community.
I doubt they'll pursue 11x, they decided to fall short of pursuing 11x as it was taking ages.
Well, that was the main excuse they gave publicly...

As for no FP11x being the reason I really don't know...
There's no doubt some sites won't work, even when told Fennec's using FP11x.
Yes, that for sure. Sites with specific Flash 11 requirements won't work. I wonder though why no live streams work on N9 with the current flash version. I don't think live streams requires flash 11.
Maybe Romaxa knows why and hopefully there's something he can do about it.

Let's hope HTML5 catches up before most sites decides to upgrade their Flash certificates.

Maemomd 2012-03-19 20:29
Re: [Request] TweakFlashVer for the N9
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1181339)
I could be wrong but I think jolo did much of the leg work ensuring FP10.1 happened.
He has left now, leaving romaxa as the main contact in the community.
I doubt they'll pursue 11x, they decided to fall short of pursuing 11x as it was taking ages.
Well, that was the main excuse they gave publicly...

As for no FP11x being the reason I really don't know...
There's no doubt some sites won't work, even when told Fennec's using FP11x.
Yeah, didn't think FP11.x would be arriving...although there are still many sites other than Hulu and Vimeo who are still using 10.x, but certed for 11.x...will keep trying to contact original TweakFlashVer dev, hopefully he or someone else can port it...going to ask romaxa about gpu support or not as well. Thnx jalyst!

Maemomd 2012-03-22 19:41
Re: [Request] TweakFlashVer for the N9
 
Sent attilia77 another pm...but I don't think he has read my first pm...probably not been active for a while on maemo.org. Hopefully he will get back to us porting this. If not, any takers? :)


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