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Lumiaman 2012-03-18 05:51

Why doesn't Nokia use retina display?
 
I am surprised that Nokia is not improving on screen resolution. It is a day and nite difference between iphone 4s and N9 screen resolution.

gerbick 2012-03-18 05:59

Re: Why doesn't Nokia use retina display?
 
I just wanted to say... wow.

In before the hatred.

bltcool 2012-03-18 06:15

Re: Why doesn't Nokia use retina display?
 
still wondering y this post is in the Nokia N900 section.......

TobiasReaper 2012-03-18 06:25

Re: Why doesn't Nokia use retina display?
 
the 4s does not have retina display, the ipad ("3") does. just saying.

Lumiaman 2012-03-18 06:39

Re: Why doesn't Nokia use retina display?
 
http://ignorethecode.net/blog/2012/0...en_microscope/

panjgoori 2012-03-18 07:35

Re: Why doesn't Nokia use retina display?
 
for your information lumiaman, Nokia Clearblack displayed beated all screen's out in market when Nokia C6-01 was launched. Test was made by gsmarena by using all high end phones available that time. And guess what Iphone 4 with such high resolution and its retina display was nowhere close to it. Only super amoled was close it. And also C6-01 has a resolution of only 640x360 i think. It beated every device in sunlight visibility, colour, angle visiblity. Retina is just a crap nothing else. And also no one can beat Nokia in terms of harware and technology.

pycage 2012-03-18 08:36

Re: Why doesn't Nokia use retina display?
 
"Retina display" is just a stupid term coined by Apple for high pixel density. The N900 and N9 both have sufficiently high pixel density for their screen size.
And honestly, after having experienced AMOLED on my N9 and Lumia 800, I would never want to go back to normal LCD screens like Apple uses them.

trayhoper 2012-03-18 08:44

Re: Why doesn't Nokia use retina display?
 
N9 and N900 has amazing screen resolution and it's better than iPhone's bad retina display.You should understand the quality differences between 2 phones when you touch their screens.

Dragoss91 2012-03-18 10:00

Re: Why doesn't Nokia use retina display?
 
retina = a simply LCD with a higher resolution , apple just named it retina so it sounds more fancy .

billranton 2012-03-18 10:05

Re: Why doesn't Nokia use retina display?
 
I agree. I had AMOLED on my n85, and it was tough to go back to lcd when i got my n900. I would rather have an oled with a standby screen than a hwkb (though of course preferably both).

GrimyHR 2012-03-18 10:47

Re: Why doesn't Nokia use retina display?
 
nokia e6 has "retina" display(325ppi)
so stop lieing that nokia does not have an cancer curing life saving coffee making unbelieveably amazing retina display(not that retina display is actualy great, but some people obviously fap and come on everything apple presents them...)
suck on that :p

rash.m2k 2012-03-18 11:29

Re: Why doesn't Nokia use retina display?
 
Because I have seen the iPad 3 in the flesh and compared it to my Nokia N9 and my galaxy tab.

Retina display is a load of bollocks to keep the minds of the fanbois occupied.

I'd rather had a slightly better screen resolution - but SUPER AMOLED+ with clear black!

benny1967 2012-03-18 11:30

Re: Why doesn't Nokia use retina display?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GrimyHR (Post 1180992)
nokia e6 has "retina" display(325ppi)
so stop lieing that nokia does not have an cancer curing life saving coffee making unbelieveably amazing retina display(not that retina display is actualy great, but some people obviously fap and come on everything apple presents them...)

LOL

LOLing again for 10+

Lumiaman 2012-03-18 14:03

Re: Why doesn't Nokia use retina display?
 
i have to disagree. The retina display is way sharper than N9 display. See the link above on microscope based agreement of.pixels. Amoled pentile screens are horrible

Soppa 2012-03-18 14:10

Re: Why doesn't Nokia use retina display?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1181040)
i have to disagree. The retina display is way sharper than N9 display. See the link above on microscope based agreement of.pixels. Amoled pentile screens are horrible

You're funnier than your nick!

Surely you must've registered here just for trollin'. But that's kind of sad.

Estel 2012-03-18 14:10

Re: Why doesn't Nokia use retina display?
 
lmao. We're talking about actual perceived quality, not the "microscope value", yep? It's amazing, how much bulls**t can be pushed in some people's mind by just simple marketing operation.

I would trade this for amoled everyday, if I could get rid of the damn useless capacitive touchm that is usually bundled with it.

/Estel

// Edit

And please, don't post such crap in N900 section.

MINKIN2 2012-03-18 14:26

Re: Why doesn't Nokia use retina display?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1181040)
i have to disagree. The retina display is way sharper than N9 display. See the link above on microscope based agreement of.pixels. Amoled pentile screens are horrible

It will look sharper because of the higher pixel per inch ratio. There is no magic behind the Retina display, they just use that term as a marketing gimmick instead of saying "our pixel density is high enough so you won't see any pixels at the optimal viewing distance of an arms length"

And that's the point of it. You can have a 10 foot tall billboard with a display of 1080p, yes when you are stood next to it you will see every pixel but when it is mounted on its pole ten foot in the air, you will be stood at it optimal viewing distance and not see the pixels. Same goes for your lonely old SDTV.


That said though, the idevices do have crisp screens and it did make me wonder why Nokia decided to put such a low res screen on the 808 when it is taking such amazing photos. Could the not have stretched to 800x480 at least?

>And why is this in the N900 board? Can the mods please move this :)

GrimyHR 2012-03-18 14:36

Re: Why doesn't Nokia use retina display?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1181040)
i have to disagree. The retina display is way sharper than N9 display. See the link above on microscope based agreement of.pixels. Amoled pentile screens are horrible

im sure you use your mobile phone with microscope but the rest of us(that means normal people) use our phones 30-50cm from our head with maybe prescription glasses for those of us with sight problems...

snowparang 2012-03-18 14:44

Re: Why doesn't Nokia use retina display?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MINKIN2 (Post 1181049)
That said though, the idevices do have crisp screens and it did make me wonder why Nokia decided to put such a low res screen on the 808 when it is taking such amazing photos. Could the not have stretched to 800x480 at least?

Limitations of the Symbian OS?

panjgoori 2012-03-18 15:10

Re: Why doesn't Nokia use retina display?
 
but still 808's screen is great. with such low resolution for a 4 inch screen.

panjgoori 2012-03-18 15:12

Re: Why doesn't Nokia use retina display?
 
and please leave this lumiaman alone he just trolling. he doesnt even know in which section to post a thread like this. stop feeding the trolls.

Lumiaman 2012-03-18 15:35

Re: Why doesn't Nokia use retina display?
 
I dont understand this hostility. This is why products like ipad3 are selling like hotcakes. They are even calling them resolutionary. Are 50,000,000 people that will buy these devices wrong? i loved the N900 resolution, and I was real disappointed that N9 is nothing like it. The letters are fuzzy, broken and only when magnified look normal. I still dont understand why NOKIA cant improve on what N900 had in terms of resolution. N9 is a huge step backward.

kureyon 2012-03-18 16:25

Re: Why doesn't Nokia use retina display?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1181080)
Are 50,000,000 people that will buy these devices wrong?

Billions of flies eat **** daily, are they wrong? Probably not, but I won't be joining them anytime soon.

:)

GrimyHR 2012-03-18 16:35

Re: Why doesn't Nokia use retina display?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1181080)
I dont understand this hostility. This is why products like ipad3 are selling like hotcakes. They are even calling them resolutionary. Are 50,000,000 people that will buy these devices wrong? i loved the N900 resolution, and I was real disappointed that N9 is nothing like it. The letters are fuzzy, broken and only when magnified look normal. I still dont understand why NOKIA cant improve on what N900 had in terms of resolution. N9 is a huge step backward.

obviously they are wrong since 6 500 000 000 people are not buying them

qwazix 2012-03-18 17:04

Re: Why doesn't Nokia use retina display?
 
1 Attachment(s)
Code:

phone        screen technology        pixel layout        pixel density (ppi)        Brightness (nits)        contrast        notes
N900        transflective lcd        stripe        267        257        349/1        you need far less brightness if screen is transflective  because there is no need to out-do sunlight
Galaxy S        SAMOLED        pentile        233        334        infinite       
N8        AMOLED CBD        stripe        210        230        infinite        you also need less brightness in AMOLED screens due to high contrast
X7        AMOLED CBD        stripe        184        630        infinite       
N9        AMOLED CBD        pentile        251        596        infinite        ability to have sleeping screen
iPhone 4        IPS LCD        stripe        326        571        1261/1       
Galaxy SII        SAMOLED+        stripe        217        301        infinite       
Motorola atrix        LCD TFT        pentile        275        365        719/1       
E6        LCD TFT        pentile        328        1004        905/1

Attachment 25490

You see it's a trade-off

you can't have everything. Some trade ppi(pentile,LCD) for contrast (amoled), others for better color reproduction and clearer text (stripe), etc etc. Fortunately there are choices for everyone. For me the choice on the N9 was one of the best. Bright, contrasty, not so low ppi, not-so-good colors (but you can't see it unless you play the same video side to side with a stripe amoled)

qwazix 2012-03-18 17:14

Re: Why doesn't Nokia use retina display?
 
By the way the iPad 3 has less ppi than the N900

Soppa 2012-03-18 17:15

Re: Why doesn't Nokia use retina display?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1181080)
letters are fuzzy, broken and only when magnified look normal. I still dont understand why NOKIA cant improve on what N900 had in terms of resolution. N9 is a huge step backward.

Ok, I'll take back some of my badmouthing, there's actually reasonable content in this reply.

I'm pretty picky on displays in general since I'm pretty much spoiled where I work. That being said, I'm not having any of the issues you described in my N9. I'm thinking you might have a defective unit.

aQUICK1 2012-03-18 18:07

Re: Why doesn't Nokia use retina display?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1181080)
I dont understand this hostility. This is why products like ipad3 are selling like hotcakes. They are even calling them resolutionary. Are 50,000,000 people that will buy these devices wrong? i loved the N900 resolution, and I was real disappointed that N9 is nothing like it. The letters are fuzzy, broken and only when magnified look normal. I still dont understand why NOKIA cant improve on what N900 had in terms of resolution. N9 is a huge step backward.

Maybe a visit to a optician will do u good +/- instead of trolling.

panjgoori 2012-03-18 18:28

Re: Why doesn't Nokia use retina display?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1181080)
I dont understand this hostility. This is why products like ipad3 are selling like hotcakes. They are even calling them resolutionary. Are 50,000,000 people that will buy these devices wrong? i loved the N900 resolution, and I was real disappointed that N9 is nothing like it. The letters are fuzzy, broken and only when magnified look normal. I still dont understand why NOKIA cant improve on what N900 had in terms of resolution. N9 is a huge step backward.

if you remember apple launched iPhone 4 with multi tasking and people also called it revolutionery. So for apple and its fanboys multi tasking is revolutionery ? Symbian devices do multi tasking from start. There was nothing new with iPhone 4 and also nothing new in any new apple product. All symbian users were already enjoying multi tasking and all the features that apple products have many many years ago when there was no sign of apple.

tHMZ 2012-03-18 18:40

Re: Why doesn't Nokia use retina display?
 
The amount of Nokia bias is incredible. Have you ever seen a retina display? it might sound like a marketing gimmick but it's the best out there. CBD comes after (excluding the crap resolution ones) because super amoled plus has TOO much color for my eyes.

tHMZ 2012-03-18 18:42

Re: Why doesn't Nokia use retina display?
 
yeah the iPad's screen is also 3x larger. what's your point?

somedude 2012-03-18 19:42

Re: Why doesn't Nokia use retina display?
 
a blah blah blah blah blah,
(fingers in ears) nananananan nanananana nananananana nananana
blah blah blah blah

gerbick 2012-03-18 20:38

Re: Why doesn't Nokia use retina display?
 
Nokia is too busy distinguishing themselves via cameras. The N8 and now the 808.

Apple is setting the pace in marketing terms around Samsung sourced screens.

Samsung is deepening their lead into SuperAMOLED screens and resolution density.

It's all about what the company has decided to use to set themselves apart from their competition.

Retina display or not, it's not Nokia's prime concern at this moment. Especially since Symbian and WP7 are both limited in regards to how high their screens scale.

Estel 2012-03-18 21:13

Re: Why doesn't Nokia use retina display?
 
The fact that it does have "too much color for Your eyes" isn't proof that it's worse. Some people like more green-only displays from 70's, but that doesn't mean it's better to not have more colors/contrast ;)

BTW, calling it Nokia-biased is BIG LMAO, especially in my case. Have You ever read, what I think about Nokia (as a company)? Instead, refer to qwazix table. Pixel density is only one (small) advantage of apple'ish displays, while they sux at every other aspect...

/Estel

gerbick 2012-03-18 23:44

Re: Why doesn't Nokia use retina display?
 
Sorry, but a return to green screen would make want to kill.

The Wizard of Huz 2012-03-19 00:06

Re: Why doesn't Nokia use retina display?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1181080)
I dont understand this hostility. This is why products like ipad3 are selling like hotcakes. They are even calling them resolutionary. Are 50,000,000 people that will buy these devices wrong? i loved the N900 resolution, and I was real disappointed that N9 is nothing like it. The letters are fuzzy, broken and only when magnified look normal. I still dont understand why NOKIA cant improve on what N900 had in terms of resolution. N9 is a huge step backward.

And Lumia is better?

gerbick 2012-03-19 01:00

Re: Why doesn't Nokia use retina display?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Wizard of Huz (Post 1181232)
And Lumia is better?

If you were to go by the numbers...

Nokia Lumia 800: 3.7 inch screen @ 800px by 480px = 252.15 ppi
Nokia N9: 3.9 inch screen @ 854px by 480px = 251.19 ppi

1 extra pixel per inch in favor of the Lumia 800. I'm quite sure it makes all the difference, but there's a very slight advantage in regards to pixel per inch; which relates directly to the OP statements of why Nokia should use the 325ppi or so (less for the New iPad) "Retina" type screen.

Not taking up for anybody. Just stating the facts.

Lumiaman 2012-03-19 01:51

Re: Why doesn't Nokia use retina display?
 
An interesting article from scientifically inclined screen aficionado. Pentile amoled basically sucks and I love the beginning.."crap, I got one with a broken screen!"

http://ignorethecode.net/blog/2011/0..._oled_screens/

GrimyHR 2012-03-19 07:51

Re: Why doesn't Nokia use retina display?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tHMZ (Post 1181147)
The amount of Nokia bias is incredible. Have you ever seen a retina display? it might sound like a marketing gimmick but it's the best out there. CBD comes after (excluding the crap resolution ones) because super amoled plus has TOO much color for my eyes.

as my father owns an e6 i am often looking at it and i am not impressed with "retina", on the the distance of about 40cm no human being sees any difference from n900 screen for instance

reinob 2012-03-19 08:57

Re: Why doesn't Nokia use retina display?
 
@Lumiaman,

I think you don't know exactly what you're "fighting" for. If you want to complain about Pentile be my guest. Never had such display, but I'm "intuitively" against it.

But resolution? I won't repeat all arguments that have been put on this misplaced thread. Can you tell me how many DPIs most desktop monitors have? have you ever seen anybody complaining things like "when I read a PDF using acroread with 125dpi my eyes hurt!" I haven't.

BTW:
IPAD 3: 9.7 inch, 2048x1536 -> 263.92 dpi
N900: 3.5 inch, 800x480 -> 266.56 dpi


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