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optimaxxx 2012-04-20 17:43

N900, as it was intended
 
http://robosavvy.com/Builders/sascha/front01.jpg

And they said our baby couldn't do everything.. ;)

Source.

szopin 2012-04-20 17:46

Re: N900, as it was intended
 
Love the one-eye piratey look! Hope they include lasers in the final build

MINKIN2 2012-04-20 17:49

Re: N900, as it was intended
 
That is Excellent!!! You have got to send that link to engadget so they can create yet another "N900 then phone that refused to die" article :D


Edit: they did 23/04/12... Engadget article here

ibrakalifa 2012-04-20 17:56

Re: N900, as it was intended
 
thats was damn cool, nice share mate!!

anthonie 2012-04-20 18:01

Re: N900, as it was intended
 
Reading the title I feared another magic-for-everything-patch but this is pure awesomeness!

gazza_d 2012-04-20 18:11

Re: N900, as it was intended
 
All hail the mighty N900. Must be a line some about the N900 running Android... bubb bumm

I'll get my coat

Dersonne 2012-04-20 18:20

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our great n900 can still kickass :)

gearspec 2012-04-20 21:25

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Like always.

sifo 2012-04-20 21:54

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wow it is pretty cool !

szopin 2012-04-20 23:50

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To give it a hipster monocle-wearing look I presume

geneven 2012-04-20 23:53

Re: N900, as it was intended
 
The battery life isn't so great...

MINKIN2 2012-04-20 23:55

Re: N900, as it was intended
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sifo (Post 1195107)
wow it is pretty cool btw sorry i couldnt undersand why the cable is pluged in?excuze if it is a noob question :)

No need to be excused for any noob-iness if you have a genuine question :)

As you can imagine, the N900 runs the programming to activate the servos (motorised joints for each limb). If you click on the link you will see that that the robot also has a printed circuit board (PCB) that the servos connect to as a an interface to distribute each command sent from the n900. Hence the need for the cable attached.

The circuit board also has has an external power supply attached using LiPo battery to feed the juice to the servos.

Hope this helps? :)

szopin 2012-04-21 00:01

Re: N900, as it was intended
 
If we're to be specific... From thread:

Following software runs now on the N900:
- ROS
- OpenCV
- gstreamer (640x480 H.264)
- fcam (used intitially for autofocus etc)
- VNC / SSH (for remote access)

I wrote an ROS node for the N900 accelerometer and played a little bit with OpenCV. The face detection speed on the N900 was a bit disappointing though (0.25 fps) and I decided to stream the video to my PC (using gstreamer for which exists an ROS integration). Streaming causes only about 20% CPU utilization (640x480 resolution / H.264 / 1500 KB/s) on the N900.
Less complex tasks like color based tracking should be able to run on the robot itself with acceptable speed.

Computational tasks (distance analysis from cam feedback) most likely were run from a desktop PC, even at 1150mhz N900 alone most likely couldn't handle it.

Just noticed: That or what MINKIN2 pointed out, possibly both

Cue 2012-04-21 00:20

Re: N900, as it was intended
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by optimaxxx (Post 1194981)
And they said our baby couldn't do everything.. ;)

Source.

Looks absolutely great. Love the updated N900 mount that looks like a horse head too.

I'm currently looking for a stepper motor controller, are there any particular cheap ones you can recommend or do you build your own?

MINKIN2 2012-04-21 00:39

Re: N900, as it was intended
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cue (Post 1195145)
Looks absolutely great. Love the updated N900 mount that looks like a horse head too.

I'm currently looking for a stepper motor controller, are there any particular cheap ones you can recommend or do you build your own?

For stepper motors of that size, RS and Farnell can supply them. However the these robots often use the same servos the you will find in any hobby grade RC cars and come in a variety of sizes, torque ranges and turn speeds.(those pictured above appear to be futaba by manufacture)

I too would love to build one of these. I was trained as a mechanical engineer, my other hobby is RC cars and have a good understanding of the power systems and motors used for this,and have previously built a cybot just for fun...
http://lpilsley.co.uk/cybot/graphics/robo-mag.gif

My problem has always been that whilst I have the mechanical understanding to build the machine, I still don't fully grasp the software to operate these things. I still have my cybot and would love to have the n900 control it. Shame they never released the software for it. :(

szopin 2012-04-21 00:51

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This and vid of N900 controlling quadcopter (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS3_aGWFBRs) make me hum Terminator theme in my nightmares, Skynet can be built on maemo

vittoriob4 2012-04-21 01:10

Re: N900, as it was intended
 
Dude, this is awesome!!!!

computerinfo21 2012-04-21 02:11

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I don't know why I am amazed at anything this computer can do after all I've read about & done with it myself, but somehow there's always more.
Thanks for sharing, I'm thinking it'll be the next world super power with nukes next. Game over iPhone, GAME OVER :D

MINKIN2 2012-04-21 02:28

Re: N900, as it was intended
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by computerinfo21 (Post 1195163)
Thanks for sharing, I'm thinking it'll be the next world super power with nukes next. Game over iPhone, GAME OVER :D

Not sure why but that sentence had me thinking of the cold war and "da Mann" with his finger on the button!

The reality though is not quite the same as he would be trying to laugh maniacally whilst crow fingering Ctrl+Shift +Q keys ;)

optimaxxx 2012-04-21 12:14

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The N900 is working as the core cpu (brains) of the robot, and it actually uses camera to "see".

HELLASISGREECE 2012-04-21 12:33

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I think we found Wall-E's little brother

ps: It would be cool to put him to fight Sony's Aibo.

mscion 2012-04-21 13:14

Re: N900, as it was intended
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HELLASISGREECE (Post 1195328)
I think we found Wall-E's little brother

ps: It would be cool to put him to fight Sony's Aibo.

I was wondering if you could snap another shot with a droid or some android phone underneath it's foot.

MINKIN2 2012-04-21 13:35

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There is only one way for that robot to evolve now...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK8OjwMdn5I

That would only be the icing on the cake though.

darkestz 2012-04-21 14:12

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I own a few Bioloid sets....BETTER GET STARTED ON THIS THEN

ste-phan 2012-04-21 14:39

Re: N900, as it was intended
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by optimaxxx (Post 1194981)
http://robosavvy.com/Builders/sascha/front01.jpg

And they said our baby couldn't do everything.. ;)

Source.

Everything? It looks so very potent, indeed. :eek:

Now as a first mission to immortalize the N900 to the entire world and generations to come, send this little fellow in to Fukush1m4 zone to bravely clean up the Pluton1um C0rium debris while documenting its action over uncensored live TOR streamed video footage (after it hacks itself into the local 3G equivalent),

so doing leaving the local Asimo bot with only one logical option in his artificial brain: jump under the bullet train to safe face.

Maybe Mugen should be allowed to sponsor the battery backpack a little. :D

Estel 2012-04-21 17:24

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Mugen? They're losers, let's put dr_frost_dk's batteries there ;)

gazza_d 2012-04-21 17:26

Re: N900, as it was intended
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ste-phan (Post 1195373)
Everything? It looks so very potent, indeed. :eek:

Now as a first mission to immortalize the N900 to the entire world and generations to come, send this little fellow in to Fukush1m4 zone to bravely clean up the Pluton1um C0rium debris while documenting its action over uncensored live TOR streamed video footage (after it hacks itself into the local 3G equivalent),

so doing leaving the local Asimo bot with only one logical option in his artificial brain: jump under the bullet train to safe face.

Maybe Mugen should be allowed to sponsor the battery backpack a little. :D

Not sure I'd trust that mean thing with some plutonium - I reckon it may decide to go rogue on Mankind....

Cue 2012-04-22 19:59

Re: N900, as it was intended
 
For anybody interested in robotics check this little critter out too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuC6q...ayer_embedded#!

RobertHall 2012-04-22 20:59

Re: N900, as it was intended
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MINKIN2 (Post 1194983)
That is Excellent!!! You have got to send that link to engadget so they can create yet another "N900 then phone that refused to die" article :D

is that an actual article? if so link please thanks!

peterbjornx 2012-04-22 21:18

Re: N900, as it was intended
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MINKIN2 (Post 1195152)
For stepper motors of that size, RS and Farnell can supply them. However the these robots often use the same servos the you will find in any hobby grade RC cars and come in a variety of sizes, torque ranges and turn speeds.(those pictured above appear to be futaba by manufacture)

I too would love to build one of these. I was trained as a mechanical engineer, my other hobby is RC cars and have a good understanding of the power systems and motors used for this,and have previously built a cybot just for fun...
http://lpilsley.co.uk/cybot/graphics/robo-mag.gif

My problem has always been that whilst I have the mechanical understanding to build the machine, I still don't fully grasp the software to operate these things. I still have my cybot and would love to have the n900 control it. Shame they never released the software for it. :(

Kinda the same here, i've built a couple of robots myself, the first one a cybot too, after that ive built my own controller for cybot with an old fritzbox(running linux) modem and a microcontroller board, after that some standalone microcontroller ****, but i never get them to do anything cool cause i dont know all the advanced algorithms for sensor data interpretation

MINKIN2 2012-04-22 22:01

Re: N900, as it was intended
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RobertHall (Post 1196036)
is that an actual article? if so link please thanks!

It's not an actual article but every few months they will post an article where they say words to that effect...

Game pad hack

ICS

I can't find anymore articles to reference to although I do remember others, and for some reason engadget keeps pointing me to their mobile search results. ???

sulu 2012-04-22 22:08

Re: N900, as it was intended
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Estel (Post 1195457)
Mugen? They're losers, let's put dr_frost_dk's batteries there ;)

Does anybody have the address of Doc Brown? He's supposed to have "Mr. Fusion" ready to power his DeLorean in three years from now. So I guess he already has a prototype that could at least run an N900 on vegetables.

misiak 2012-04-22 22:11

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Maemo devices are fairly often used to build robots - see this doggy build using Nokia 770: http://www.slideshare.net/qgil/nokia...bile-context/9 ;) (slide 9 if by some reason it does not slide automatically)

visN900 2012-04-23 01:28

Re: N900, as it was intended
 
lol.. if the robo wants to sleep it can use the kickstand and sleep comfortably ;)

MINKIN2 2012-04-23 19:09

Re: N900, as it was intended
 
Engadget article here

With yet another undead quote lol

patlak 2012-04-23 19:33

Re: N900, as it was intended
 
N900 - Like a Boss

Estel 2012-04-23 20:11

Re: N900, as it was intended
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MINKIN2 (Post 1196564)
Engadget article here

With yet another undead quote lol

engadget got some necrophilic obsession, or what? They should be careful, or Anonymous will shut them down for "notorious ugly lies" ;)

jutley 2012-04-23 23:19

Re: N900, as it was intended
 
Yea if the n900 had legs and arms it would take over the world as it has a ai brain already do not I repeat do not underestimate the power of the dark side.

lma 2012-04-23 23:46

Re: N900, as it was intended
 
Not quite a puppy robot, but nice to see the N900 catching up with its ancestors ;-)

misiak 2012-04-24 00:36

Re: N900, as it was intended
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lma (Post 1196748)
Not quite a puppy robot, but nice to see the N900 catching up with its ancestors ;-)

I found that robot in presentation i linked in post #33 of this thread, but didn't know the name, thanks!:)


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