Must read! Tomi Ahonen roasts Elop's decisions
 

Long article but very good... Ahonen provides detailed info as to why Elop is a knob

http://communities-dominate.blogs.co...s-ceo-and.html

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"no OS deserve to die".. its like saying "lets kill ballet because Hip-Hop is New its so Cool"...

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Can Symbian run on multicore-CPU-platforms, does it have a thread-safe code? I think not, neither does WP. Both are unusable for high end phones.

Because Elop and MS, Nokia is forbidden to bring quad-core Meego-device with the Pureview-camera. What a great decision from Elop and the general board, good job!
Nokia deserves to die and get the next Darwin award.

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ah. Tomi Ahonen. If you want a constant stream of Nokia bashing he's your man to follow. He does have a few valid points but he really needs to find himself a girl or something to get some other things into his life. Putting that much time and energy to bashing nokia doesn't seem very healthy.

edit: didn't read that post. I've read enough of his stuff.

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this guy is on fire lately. All i have to say is 87.45% of statistics is made up

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I'm not sure. The kernel is enabled, but in 2010 talk was about Symbian^5 and ^6 bringing muti-core support.

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Yes and yes - the development work was done jointly by Sony Ericsson and ARM and it was announced on the Symbian Foundation blog around three years ago. A proof of concept Sony Ericsson U8500 with an ARM Cortex-A9 processor was also built and demonstrated.

At the time there was no other smartphone OS with multicore support.

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Now go boot up MSDOS and see if you can talk to us comfortably from that dinosaur.

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I rewrote the lyrics of the bedroom intruder song
http://youtu.be/rl5B6ns34LQ for Elop
Well obviously we have a trojan horse in Nokia.......
He's climbing up inside your corp and snatchin your open source
trying to rape it so yall need to
hide your phones hide your tablets
hide your phones hide your tablets
hide your phones hide your tablets
and hide your code cuz they rapin erebody out here
you don't have to come and confess
we lookin for you
we gon fiiiiiind you
we gon find you
so you can run and tell that
run and tell that
run and tell that
homeboy, home, home, homeboy
We saw you give away patents and copy the N9 you are so dumb
you really are so dumb, for real
you are really really really really so dumb
N9 customer: My phone was attacked by some idiot from microsoft
so dumb so dumb so dumb so dumb

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Even the N95 had a dual core and it ran Symbian. Symbian is thread safe for sure, and has been so for ages.

What is a high end phone anyway these days?

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Fortunately China will be our savior. It will not allow every Chinese citizen to have USA based eavesdropping and spying device (WP, iOS, Android) in their pockets.

For that reason only, Tizen will be a success and have at least 1 billion users. Nokia was stupid to go with the devil and dump open source route. Samsung, Huawei and others will do it now and Nokia will vanish and also the rest will be assimilated by Microsoft.

Forget Maemo, forget Meego, forget Qt, concentrate, support and help Tizen development.

N95 did not have multicore-CPU.
DSP+CPU+GPU is a different thing than multicore-CPU-support, if you think requirements from an OS.

High-end phones nowadays have at least dual-core CPU.

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I mean, this is just a rant with no substance at all. He got the rhetoric right, but that is all. As much as I like Symbian, it is outdated, and Nokia proved to be unable to reform it into a modern OS. That is the fact. The 808 PureView has been in the oven for 5 years - FIVE YEARS. Five years ago iOS and Android did not even exist, and today Android rule the world. If Nokia had used Android, it would have taken 5 months to get the PureView camera working.

Ahonen is a joke.

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Pureview's 5 years devlopment has nothing to do with OS. If those 5 years were because of an OS, then SE would beaten N8 and few others or at least be the same. This development was more on a hardware wise.

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i love the elop effect xD
http://communities-dominate.blogs.co...0dcd970d-800wi

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the os closest to die is apples iOS. It had its peak and will now slowly fade away and die, after that its android's turn. Imagine the unimaginable and you might be ready to predict the future.

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That wasn't my point. The point was that Android has taken 3-4 years to develop into a full blown OS supporting an uncountable permutation of hardware. If Nokia had used Android, they wouldn't use 5 years to make the PureView HW work on that platform. Max 5 months (my guess, probably less). On a second thought, they probably would use 5 years, and it would still be buggy when it launched.

The second point was that they had 5 years to develop Symbian for that HW.

Hence, Ahonen's rant is nothing but pointless rant. He has serious problems.

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Enh. His shtick isn't so much Nokia bashing as Elop bashing, which I would have assumed to be fairly popular around here. That said... yeah, he repeats himself a lot in these blog entries, and it gets really old really quickly.

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You're missing the point. IT'S NOT THE OS!!! There was no sensor at such size with 41 MP during the time. Also, there was no SoC powerful enough to process such images. Even, the current (thought to be) most powerful SoC, Exynos, even Tegra 3, can't cope with 41MP. 808 may suffer CPU wise, however, GPU and DSP wise, it's in a league of its own.

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Tomi Ahonen may overstate things but his points are all valid. I've yet to see anybody here dispute him point by point instead of indulging in general attacks.

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I don't know how true this article facts are http://redd.it/sqz5w. But I agree, that elop wrong statements on burning platform really affected symbian & meego ecosystems. Who in the world will kill his inhouse products, even after N9 is praised everywhere. Certainly he's a **hole & not eligible as CEO

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Tomi is a dead wood, who should retire and stop spewing misinformation. He should realize that pre-Elop team set up the disaster conditions. Even in 2008, I remember NOKIA reps in the US running around scared of what the iphone will do to them. And they didnt re-group. Tomi needs to go away, peacefully

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OMG You need to shut up!
Elop is the one most destructive force. There is no pre Elop team setting up anything negative that will endanger their jobs other than some bloat that could have been dealt with much better than sending in a little fat waddling western ihop chef looking microsoft trojan horse CEO straight out of star trek (remember those fat guys that would steal others technology in star trek?).

Elop: "I'm smart. I lay off thousands and send production to Asia, ha ha, ....I'm Smart.
Noone will think of that, I'm Smart. I steal N9 design and put windows in it instead, ha ha. I'm Smart"

Man **** you!
What are you talking about, look at the news headlines! Look at the stocks! Look at the NOKIA shrinking market share! You need to shut the F up! You need to stop talking NOW seriously.

OK, wait a second, why did I just reply to someone called lumiaman?
*sigh nevermind
Searching for ignore option now sorry for getting upset at nonsense

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Don't let the door hit you on your way out

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I just can't take this guy (Ahonen) seriously anymore after he suggested that Nokia should bring a new Symbian flagship model to the market with some quadripod mechanism for scanning business cards using the phone camera. And this was about an year ago.

If he's so out of touch what features smartphones should have how can he have anything useful to say about the smartphone operating systems?

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If he he had suggested a year ago that Nokia should release a cutting edge 41MP camera on Symbian you would have roasted him too won't you? Yet the Nokia PureView 808 is heading for a hit with the interest it has excited so far.

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That is an irrelevant argument as PureView is actually very useful and innovative technology opposed to the crap he suggested.

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There is no doubt that he's a trojan horse.

Ultimately, i don't think Microsoft will buy Nokia outright though. I think Elop will continue to run the company into the ground and when things are at rock bottom, bits get sold off here and there, it will just be the patents that Microsoft are interested in.

There's more money in licensing fees than going to the bother of making a product yourself.

They will also do this with Xbox at some point. Basically someone like Samsung will build it and just pay M$ for the privilege.

We're really entering a time of stagnation where smartphones are concerned, sure they'll get a bit faster but there's no real innovation.

In 2009 i was using a E71 running Symbian, when i read about the N900 and Maemo i was truly excited about the possibilities.

I bought it and still use it. I'm a guy who likes the latest gadgets, if there truly was anything better out there that was worth having, i'd have bought it.

The ongoing patent wars between Apple, Google, Motorola, Nokia, Microsoft etc, will drag out over the next few years. Microsoft rarely lose out in these battles.

This is how they'll leverage Windows Phone, by crippling the opposition legally. They were never going to gain market share by having a great platform.

Apple are still making profits on Steve Jobs ideas, when Tim Cook starts having his own ideas, that's when Apple will fall away a bit as nothing lasts forever.

It's not too late for Nokia, but they really need to act quickly on replacing Elop. We all know in our hearts that this won't happen though... he'll see his project through and then blame it on sleeping satelites or whatever else pops into his head.

Maemo could have been special, all it needed was a few more devices and possibly a renaming of the OS to something better. Biggest mistake they ever made was dropping it.

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So pre-elop team set up the disaster? They're the ones who created meego/the N9, which has won lots and lots of praise. They're the ones who developed the 808... which again. is getting huge amounts of interest and that technology isn't on any other phone (let alone, any dedicated camera)

Anyway, I know you're a troll Lumiaman so i'm not going to bother with you :)

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You sure you're not actually Stephen Elop?

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Not that I'm a windows fan (today I'm actually rather far from it), but I'd like to know what you base your opinion on that Windows CE doesn't have thread safe code?
I have worked with Windows CE for many years and it is in every way real multithreading with all the typical thread safety mechanisms.
Or, do I have a different view than you do on what thread safe is?
I have no idea though whether CE today can run on multicore or not, but I wouldn't be surprised if it did.

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You didn't understood me. I mean't those 5 years were been for developing hardware and not to make it compatible to work on platform (this is in my opinion only 10-15% of time of all development of 808).
So in my opnion they spend just few months to get it on Symbian (and symbian is known to have bestg cameras, so for the same result it would take longer to have it on Android or any other platform).

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I wonder why people keep repeating this nonsense. I have (or had) a C7 running Symbian, a N9 (Maemo/MeeGo) and a Lumia 800 (WP). The C7 is the workhorse that I have with me most of the time. It can do everything, while the N9 lacks a bit here and there.... and WP7 is so limited and so 2005ish that I returned it after a few weeks. (It was, in fact, worse than the non-touch, S60-based 6110 Navigator.)

While I understand that low-level development for Symbian is a mess, for a user it's still years ahead of iOS, WP and friends.

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The whole thing comes to one point in the timeline:
when the Galaxy S and iPhone 4 were released.

For Nokia to be competitive today, they needed to have the N8 (Belle) and N9 (Harmattan) selling back then, which is Q4 2010.
or...
They needed the Lumia 900 with Mango.

Honestly I can say the WP is a better ecosystem, but MeeGo is a better OperatingSystem. With OVI (carrier billing) and NOKIA, MeeGo would've even surpassed the ecosystem that MS holds (Zune, Live, Skype, Xbox-Persona Integration). They just didn't play their strengths and became susceptible to their weaknesses, and all-in-all didn't release an innovation in the correct time (18 months too late).

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Dual core support (which is different than multithreaded and multitask) apparently only came with Windows CE 7.0 (March 2011), and windows phone is only based on CE 6.0 with backported 7.0 features, so it is fair to assume that it did not support multi core at launch, and it's not even sure it does yet.

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How was the pre-Elop team setting up the disaster conditions? Yes, they suffered a bit in short term, but that pre-Elop team are churning out Belle, Carla, Donna and MeeGo devices. Elop's WP team has Nokia on the junk list.

Grow a brain, it's painful and insulting to know people like you and Elop exist.

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or Specc? 10char

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Nokia was not doing great before Elop. Flop after flop and having the largest market share and decent earnings isnt a good enough reason to keep going. Poor management of Nokia lead to the hiring of Elop and we are where we are.

Elop gets a lot of hate - rightly so I believe but who was too focused on Symbian to give any attention to maemo/meego? Pre Elop Nokia management. Symbian was a religion inside Noka. Remember that article?

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They didn't capitalize on funding and marketing Maemo properly. They kept the majority of the money and resources on Symbian, relegated Maemo to a start/stop affair that never seemed to congeal into a marketable, mainstream product.

All of that was under OPK. They preceded the iPhone with the Maemo products and Nokia responded with the N97. Not a good response if you ask me.

The disastrous handling of what came next, Comes with Music to counter iTunes, N-Gage to counter mobile gaming, sticking with underpowered platforms that performed poorly - later rectified with the N8 and going forward - Nokia didn't really help themselves in those years following the iPhone or Android ascension.

There's a lot of other factors, but let's just not mince words. OPK's reign set things up to where they had to counter, evolve and change their ways - from marketing to media, and it didn't happen fast enough.

Ovi Store is a success. But it's eclipsed by Android's and iTunes mind share. Comes with Music was a failure, Ovi Music is also. It just wasn't a name that people outside of Europe flocked to. But I speak on that as a North American.

Regardless, a lot of these messes were in place before Elop, all he had to do was come in, assess with a very biased eye that what was probably repairable should be seen as a problem and propose that Windows Phone 7 has an ecosystem that more people will get behind (XBOX Live, MS Music, MS Video, et al) and the other things that Nokia had been working on were not ready for primetime, even if released, it would require too much work to get it to where it would be a viable platform... and he "looked" right.

That's my take.