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Mc_mice 2012-06-14 07:12
Sad news; Nokia apparently killed Meltemi
 
Nokia is laying off 10000 people worldwide with 3700 from Finland.
Salo factory is closing down and Oulu and Ulm ( the 2 main points in Meltemi development) are taking hits.

Sad day in the open-community :(

http://www.trust.org/resize_image?pa...4bb2.jpg&w=649

ibrakalifa 2012-06-14 07:17
Re: Sad news; Nokia apparently killed Meltemi
 
Nokia=Microsoft doll now, a zombie

almamo 2012-06-14 07:38
Re: Sad news; Nokia apparently killed Meltemi
 
Those news are on the frontside of all online newspapers right now, it's over for Nokia. Who would still buy a phone of a company cutting 10'000 jobs? Nokia destroyed by a lunatic Microsoft worker, and nobody did anything against it. Sad story.

automagic68 2012-06-14 07:38
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Dude you are overreacting. . . . .

zappAtom 2012-06-14 07:55
Re: Sad news; Nokia apparently killed Meltemi
 
I hope he is...but I think the picking over the bones has already started. Closing Oulu /Ulm really leaves no other choice than that Meltemi is history...

I would love to read the mail exchange between Balmer & Elop...I think it would be the final eyeopener for many...

shma 2012-06-14 08:06
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I hope the two people working on meego hides in lumia t-shirts today.

kevloral 2012-06-14 08:08
Re: Sad news; Nokia apparently killed Meltemi
 
Apart from the 10,000 people that are going to be fired (the other thread about this maybe should be merged into this one), McDowell and Savander are leaving too.

Yes, the same McDowell that was leading the Meltemi project.

Dared 2012-06-14 08:09
Re: Sad news; Nokia apparently killed Meltemi
 
What the hell is wrong with the Nokia board? Are they that ******ed they can't see that Elop is a total knob head?

*sigh*

abill_uk 2012-06-14 08:19
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Oh well this is going to be a very alarming thread for some as it sure spell's the end for Nokia so let us hope this community can survive in the future without them.

The world was predicted to end in 2012, someone must have spelt it wrong hmmmmm.

zappAtom 2012-06-14 08:28
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The Nokia in 1-2 years will be still Nokia but totally differently looking. A big part will survive at Microsoft, others will be closed down and sold. Linux will be history for them... My only wish is that Navteq somehow survives in a form that doesn't forces us to become Microsoft, Apple (TomTom) or Google customers and that Qt still gets enough support to exists without Nokia...

I don't like how people like Balmer/Elop, Jobs, Zuckerberg & Co transform the IT world in monopolisitc blocks...but today's news is just one more little step towards this scenario

tkatchev 2012-06-14 08:30
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LOL, what a surprise!

Who could have guessed!

volt 2012-06-14 08:34
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They are cutting the fat from the hips to fit the bride into the dress. After Annus Horribilis, Nokia needs to show some good numbers in drop of expenses. Then Elop's idiocracy can be disguised as a tough turn around to loose dead meat, and presented as an organization ready to start over, under new ownership.

This is what CFO's do, cut all and any expences to make the results look better. Elop is acting as a CFO more than a CEO, and he's preparing to sell Macromedia to Adobe sell before it's too late enter a strategic partnership with Microsoft anyone who's willing to buy some select partner well suited to augment Nokia's empty bank accounts weaknesses.

Bernard 2012-06-14 08:35
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Interesting that McDowell is leaving. Wasn't she responsible for the S40 platform? I wonder if Nokia S40 will also be switched to Windows Phone.

Mc_mice 2012-06-14 09:08
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I think McDowell was responsible for the Meltemi project.

Bernard 2012-06-14 09:10
Re: Sad news; Nokia apparently killed Meltemi
 
Could be both. I've seen her talk about the next billion and S40 fairly often.

ossipena 2012-06-14 09:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bernard (Post 1221657)
Could be both. I've seen her talk about the next billion and S40 fairly often.
Isn't that the same? Asha is sold to "the next billion" as we speak...

retsam 2012-06-14 09:19
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I would really like to see some anonymous Meego & Meltemi leaks and sources, just enough to even keep the user community alive. ;)

F U to elop. All he did was grab all the money and set platforms on fire while ejaculating lubricant to prepare for the coming assrape.

ossipena 2012-06-14 09:21
Re: Sad news; Nokia apparently killed Meltemi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by retsam (Post 1221663)
F U to elop. All he did was grab all the money and set platforms on fire while ejaculating lubricant to prepare for the coming assrape.
Why are you shooting the messenger instead of the people who got Nokia into the sad state it is now, making radical decisions and sacking people in thousands just to stay afloat?

Brian_7 2012-06-14 09:42
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We all knew that this will happen. We can not trust nokia anymore.

Bernard 2012-06-14 09:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ossipena (Post 1221664)
Why are you shooting the messenger instead of the people who got Nokia into the sad state it is now, making radical decisions and sacking people in thousands just to stay afloat?
Probably because he/she likes his/her linux gadgets, and sees the choice of Nokia for Windows limiting the linux phone options in the future.

The problems Nokia has are numerous. They choose a radical option with windows, betting that it would solve the problems in the future.
Based on the demand for the current Lumia phones, i would say it probably put Nokia in a worse position (at least for 2012).
If they continued the Symbian/MeeGo course Nokia would also have huge problems. Sales would have slipped (probably not as much as with Lumia, but still), and they would have needed to develop all the software on their own.
Look at all the features in iOS6, I don't think Nokia could have matched those in their own operating systems in any competitive timeframe. Will Microsoft be able to do that? I doubt it, but we will see when the Windows 8, Windows Phone 8 and Windows RT arrive.

ajalkane 2012-06-14 10:15
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http://twitter.com/nkaratt/status/213202227379179520

"It is official - the dream of a great mobile product in Nokia Ulm is over."

This guys title is "Qt Software, Head of Global Consultancy, Nokia", so I guess that's as confirmed as it can be.

thedead1440 2012-06-14 10:47
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that quote spoilt my day. I thought it was some fat being cut but its finished...

Oblomow 2012-06-14 10:59
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quote from http://communities-dominate.blogs.co...63068ee374970d:

Quote:
Meltemi product creation was in Ulm and Oulu. SW development in Espoo (UX, Linux core), Tampere (UI FW + Qt) + all Qt sites (Trolltech heritage). Over 1000 people focused on that. Nokia security working hard to ensure code does not leak outside Nokia, they already closed development enviroments and wikis this morning before announcements. By now they most propably have wiped hard drives where Meltemi code was residing.
Does not look good..

F2thaK 2012-06-14 11:02
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Why spend time + money on a project only to bin it??? WTF???

lma 2012-06-14 11:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by F2thaK (Post 1221709)
Why spend time + money on a project only to bin it??? WTF???
You mean like MeeGo, Maemo, Hildon, S90, S80 ...

F2thaK 2012-06-14 11:12
Re: Sad news; Nokia apparently killed Meltemi
 
I mean without releasing it at all... :eek:

zwer 2012-06-14 11:17
Re: Sad news; Nokia apparently killed Meltemi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by F2thaK (Post 1221714)
I mean without releasing it at all... :eek:
Oh, you mean like the N950, 600 and the likes?

lma 2012-06-14 11:17
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Well, most of the things they've killed without releasing we'll probably never hear about.

Wonko 2012-06-14 11:25
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Honestly, "burning platform"? Looks more like scorched earth.

Edit: Even more reason(s) to focus on Nemo/Mer.

Bernard 2012-06-14 11:28
Re: Sad news; Nokia apparently killed Meltemi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by F2thaK (Post 1221714)
I mean without releasing it at all... :eek:
They probably couldn't get Meltemi working correctly on low-cost hardware it was intended for. At least not in time. Not very surprising considering so much talent has already left, and big changes within Nokia and required development speed.

I wonder what Qt will be doing now. If no new Nokia device will be using it, that makes Qt totally redundant for Nokia. Funding from Nokia will dry-up etc.
Will there even be an updated QtSDK? Will Nokia sell Qt, or will it be killed by firing all the workers?
At the Blackberry Playbook OS 2.0 presentation it was said that they would support Qt for the OS. Maybe RIM is buying it?

shinogami 2012-06-14 11:30
Re: Sad news; Nokia apparently killed Meltemi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bernard (Post 1221721)
Will there even be an updated QtSDK? Will Nokia sell Qt, or will it be killed by firing all the workers?
Maybe they will just kill it. This is probably in Microsoft's best interests.

zwer 2012-06-14 11:32
Re: Sad news; Nokia apparently killed Meltemi
 
Ok, it's official, no Meltemi / Qt for the next billion, Java is there to stay.

Quote:
Next billion strategy is based on Java. Period!
Eero Penttinen
Domain Lead, Qt for MeeGo R&D at Nokia

funkmunk 2012-06-14 11:40
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Quote:
Timo Toikkanen as executive vice president of Mobile Phones;

BTW, Who is Timo Toikkanen? Hopefully I’ve pulled up the right linkedin profile.

Senior SW Designer at Ixonos
Ixonos has done quite a bit of work with MeeGo
Huge past in software. If anyone is to be key as to what’s happening with Meltemi and next billion software, this guy sounds like he fits the bill. SW Engineer at Protomo Jyväskylä, Specialist, SW Production Support at Nokia, Test Designer at Nokia Networks Oy,

mynokiablog.com/2012/06/14/big-nokia-news-today-salado-in-vertu-devard-savander-mcdowell-out-10000-to-go-by-2013-and-more/


Give the guy a chance to see what he does with the "Next Billion" strategy.
Nokia is not a fool to invest time and money in Meltemi and then just dissolve it without a reason.

There's always two sides to the coin. Stop believing in only one side of the truth...

myname24 2012-06-14 11:43
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@felipec

Thanks for the birthday present Mr. Elop.
Second Linux platform I work in Nokia,
and gets killed. I wonder when will he
admit WP failed.

Mexican software engineer and open
source advocate working at Maemo,
Nokia


Bad days are coming ...

sony123 2012-06-14 11:51
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Very sad to me.....
because these guys have been under great pressure, from top to bottom, to deliver.

Now Meltemi is dead, I think there is nothing that cannot be said.

The big problem for Meltemi I have been seeing is the constantly-changing strategy, and the schedule slip. It was originally planned to have public demo in Q2, SDK and API documents available soon after. There were talks about budget allocated to create thousands of apps for product launch. Operators loved Meltemi UI. There was plan for a higher-end low-end phone that might be what people here can live with. People were already planning about tablet.

But somehow the project is way behind schedule in reality. This becomes uncomfortably clear the closer we are to Q2 end. Schedule slip ensued.... from a few weeks to a quarter, and create a chain effect to the whole project launch.

For the slip, in some ways I think Nokia wasted too much time keeping Meltemi in secret mode. This barrier hinder the debugging significantly. But there must be other things that make all this not happening fast enough.....

Also, Mary's leaving shows Nokia is losing the low-end market really bad. S40 touch cannot compete with low-end Android, and without Meltemi Nokia has nothing to fight the little green robots. It's dead end for Nokia in mobile phone. Game is over. The meager profit from Windows phone cannot support the company. Nokia is dead to me.

Anyway, big thanks for people working on this project. I am sure some of them will shed more lights in the future... I still cannot believe how Nokia manged to repeat history in such a short time frame. It is unfair to put all blames on Elop because many things are already set in stone when he arrived, but the strategy he planned is crumbling in every way. He should fire himself first.....

volt 2012-06-14 11:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by funkmunk (Post 1221729)
mynokiablog.com/2012/06/14/big-nokia-
Give the guy a chance (...)

I believe you have the wrong Timo there. He's from Marketing, not Software. http://www.zoominfo.com/#!search/pro...rgetid=profile

Bernard 2012-06-14 11:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by myname24 (Post 1221731)
Bad days are coming ...
That could probably be true, for both Nokia and Microsoft and all the people working for them.
I just don't see the current Nokia (smart)phone users switch to Windows Phone based devices. I also don't see the current Microsoft Windows users switch to Metro UI on Windows 8.
I just don't see the advantage.
Maybe I'll get it when the new Windows 8/phone/RT stuff is out. But if customers don't switch, the problems for these two companies are only just starting.

sony123 2012-06-14 11:55
Re: Sad news; Nokia apparently killed Meltemi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zwer (Post 1221725)
Ok, it's official, no Meltemi / Qt for the next billion, Java is there to stay.



Eero Penttinen
Domain Lead, Qt for MeeGo R&D at Nokia
By Java, he probably means S40 touch....

and that sounds to me like sarcasm....

Zoxir 2012-06-14 12:10
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And the sail for fail continues at nokia the finish wander has become a joke. The sad thing is that if Nokia was some half dead bank the government would intervene and give them billions for free but since it's just the single most important entity of the finish economy their letting some joker giving it out for free to MS.

don_falcone 2012-06-14 12:32
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Is this for real @mynokiablog?

Quote:
steelicon says:
June 14, 2012 at 12:02 pm

When they killed Symbian and MeeGo and the final insult in the form of Nokia 808 PureView not being marketed/sold properly, I stopped believing.

It’s all lies and deceit now, the CEO himself leading the pack of wolves that would devour Nokia in favor of its Redmond masters.

Did you know that they only release 300 units of Nokia 808PV in Malaysia, 20 in Egypt and 50 in the Philippines? And that it is a restricted release, not even on display and you’d have to ask the salesperson for it SPECIFICALLY as if it were contraband/illegal units? YMMV but I’ve seen this rampant in Nokia Stores, these units are EXCLUSIVELY SOLD only in Nokia only stores. The other dealers are restricted from selling nor carrying Nokia 808 PV.

This is plain stupid.
Quote:
steelicon says:
June 14, 2012 at 12:43 pm

The same Regional Sales Manager further stated that the Exclusive Nokia Concept Stores which sell Nokia only products only have stocks of the Nokia 808 PureView RM-807 as a FORM OF COMPLIANCE to their contract.

Meaning to say, it’s just a formality that they even have stocks, so they are not really encouraged to sell nor market them aggressively.

Go figure.
...and some more.


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