UPDATE: "1st post" Nokia's Flagship Lumia 900 obsolete in less than a year? ELOP RESPONDS
 

Ok, they abandonded Maemo/Meego/Meltemi to make the new Lumia 900 Windows 7 phone. Now less than a year later Microsoft has made that phone worthless.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/20/m...ndows-phone-8/

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That back and forth about upgrade paths has been proven to be incorrect, as the hardware requirements for WP8 preclude its running on any current WP device -- even that hot blue Lumia 900 you got for a steal.


What was Nokia's plan again? :rolleyes:

>UPDATE<

I'm really not trying to bash Nokia, please don't shoot the messenger. As a "Third Party observer" :rolleyes: It looks like...
NOKIA IS GETTING HAMMERED!!

Tired of plugging your Lumia 900 into your PC or Mac in order to apply software updates? Tough luck -- you'll still be doing it while future buyers snack on Windows Phone 8. Harshness aside, Microsoft made clear at today's Windows Phone Summit that all WP8 updates will be delivered over the air, with an available program to give "registered enthusiasts" early access prior to broad consumer pushes. The real kicker, however, is this line: "Devices are supported with updates for at least 18 months." For those keeping count, the Lumia 900 shipped here in the US on April 8th. Two months later, it's already confirmed that the flagship WP7 handset in America won't get Windows Phone 8. We'd also like to take this opportunity to remind you just how poorly an identical promise from Google went over in May of 2011. You may remember Andy Rubin confessing that an 18 month Android update program was being put into place at Google I/O 2011, and here we are -- halfway through 2012 -- and we've still heard zero details on how that's being policed. Pardon our skepticism, but we'll need to see it to believe it.

UPDATE #2 : ELOP RESPONDS!!

Direct lift from engadget.. Link after REPOST.

If you've been following our Windows Phone 8 coverage today, you know that anybody who buys a Windows Phone today will not be able to upgrade to WP8 when it ships this fall. If you were an early adopter that's not such a bad deal, but if you bought a Lumia 900 oh, say, three weeks ago you might be upset -- and rightly so. And rightfully angry is Luke, who sent us an email he fired off to Nokia's Stephen Elop and AT&T's Ralph de la Vega in which he asks why he shouldn't, right now, turn around and return his phone.

I just watched the Windows Phone 8 announcement and learned that the Lumia will not be upgradeable to WP8, it will more or less get a skin with the new live tiles and a few other features... at the end of the day unless one of you responds and convinces me to stay with Microsoft Windows Phone, Nokia Lumia or Att wireless I will just wash my hands of all three companies and move over to Verizon.

Surprise surprise, Elop responded very promptly, stating:

We have a lot of exciting capabilities coming as part of a pattern of updates for the existing Lumia products. This includes some of the most significant visual elements of WP8 – for example, the new start screen.

:eek: As we have always been, Nokia is committed to delivering a long term experience to any purchasers of our products.:eek:

Granted, Nokia is bringing some nice updates to current Lumias, like some Scalado-augmented photo magic, but Elop's mention of "significant visual elements" leaves us wanting. We're waiting to hear what Luke's going to do, but here's your chance to weigh in. What do you think he should do? Full emails are after the break.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/20/l...-stephen-elop/

Re: Nokia's Flagship obsolete in less than a year?
 

What? we are still waiting for PR 1.3...

If you have lumia 800/900 you are ****ed!

Don't worry, your n9 will work a long long time. It's Solid!

Re: Nokia's Flagship obsolete in less than a year?
 

my N900 works fine.;) Even with that broken USB!

Re: Nokia's Flagship obsolete in less than a year?
 

Oh this is golden.

Nokia continues on their path of not allowing their flagship devices updates past 6+ months. That will not fare well in regards to rebuilding faith in their brand.

Foot. Gun. Nokia just shot themselves in the foot yet again.

And I say this as a Lumia 900 and a N9 owner. I'm tempted to go back to the N9 not out of spite but because I already knew it was a deadend product, the Lumia 900 was advertised otherwise.

Re: Nokia's Flagship obsolete in less than a year?
 

what do you expect from this stupid company? it is far better to migrate to Samsung because it is a different world where they actually care about there customers , Nokia on the other hand are finished and Microsoft are wanting to move this at such a fast pace everything will be very quickly updated replaced and forgotten for a long time to come.

Re: Nokia's Flagship obsolete in less than a year?
 

This needs to be played again...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_elqLDSt36k

Re: Nokia's Flagship obsolete in less than a year?
 

Oh, who cares? Anyone duped into getting one of those (even those that were effectively paid to do so) deserves exactly what they got.

Can we move this to off-topic please?

Re: Nokia's Flagship obsolete in less than a year?
 

How often Microsoft gives something for free?? Never? ;)

Re: Nokia's Flagship Lumia 900 obsolete in less than a year?
 

The best part is, you totally can't blame Nokia for not allowing WP8... This is what happens when you put the entire future of your company in control of another company. Microsoft can do whatever they want and Nokia has NO CONTROL over it.

Nokia is so screwed it's not even funny.. They made a deal with the Devil and will pay for it over and over again..

Re: Nokia's Flagship Lumia 900 obsolete in less than a year?
 

so guess who's die 1st? L900 or N9?

Re: Nokia's Flagship Lumia 900 obsolete in less than a year?
 

The announcement talks about the next generation of Qualcomm chips, that is with krait, and these are very fast and relatively expensive.
Will WP8 also run low-end hardware? Or will Nokia/Microsoft keep selling WP 7.5/7.8 devices on the low-end? If so than the Lumia 900 is far from obsolete. (and developers have an extra problem to worry about :) )

Re: Nokia's Flagship Lumia 900 obsolete in less than a year?
 

http://mynokiablog.com/2012/06/20/wp...already-right/

- and also there is will be WP7.8 avalable for selected handsets.

Re: Nokia's Flagship Lumia 900 obsolete in less than a year?
 

That's a trick question actually. The N9 is already dead. They are removed from Nokias official line up in almost every West European country where they initially were sold. This happened approximately 6 months after the release.

The L900 is (and the L800 and L710, don't forget), - just a sad comedy. This is unbelievable.

Everyone knew the N9 was a one off. As for the Lumias, well this has been marketed as the new and shiny from MS/Nokia. I see lawsuits coming, big ones from retailers and operators. This will kill Nokia.

Re: Nokia's Flagship Lumia 900 obsolete in less than a year?
 

The last 3 "Flagships" From Nokia..N900, N9, Lumia 900 have the same history, everyone in this forum knows this to be true. Why would a new customer look at WP7.8 as a "compromise" when

Update: While Microsoft was keen to announce that 7.x apps will run on Windows Phone 8, ZDNet has just confirmed, via a statement from Redmond, that apps built for the new platform won't be backwards compatible:

"New applications compiled specifically for Windows Phone 8 will not be made available for Windows Phone 7.x devices."

There is no amount of spin you can put on this! If you bought a Lumia 900 you are stuck with a platform that no one will care about. Atleast the N9, and N 900 has this community; which may have a longer future.

Re: Nokia's Flagship obsolete in less than a year?
 

Well... you did peruse and respond.

General, Off-Topic... I believe this truly belongs in Competitors.

Regardless... people getting all pissy about placement of such things is just such a trivial thing.

Funny... I stated once before that if people were duped into getting a N9 they deserve exactly what they got and I was duped twice...

Re: Nokia's Flagship Lumia 900 obsolete in less than a year?
 

Depends if WP8 will be high-end only or more general. If Nokia/MS continue WP 7.x on the low-end, there probably will be more WP7 phones sold in 2013 than WP8 devices. But it is very sad to know that all the current Nokia flagship products (N9, Pureview 808, Lumia 900) run a software platform that will ultimately be abandoned sooner than competing phones with iOS and Android.

Re: Nokia's Flagship Lumia 900 obsolete in less than a year?
 

If they go for WP8 being only for high end, then they've created an area that would be bordering fragmentation (also bordering on stupid) of their platform. The same stuff that Apple and Microsoft are picking on Google about.

Just like the first gen phones got capped at WP7 7.1, it seems like the so-called "second gen", now billed at 1.5 gen phones like the Nokia Lumia 900 and even HTC Titan II are now limited to WP7 7.8 and will not get WP8.

The true second gen phones are not out yet, are coming out later in the year and the people with the "true Windows Phone 7 phone" (as stated by Elop) are left in the dark in regards to WP8 upgrades.

Simply stated, the people that were up in arms over the N9 only getting 6+ months of support from Nokia; well Nokia did it to the Lumia 900 folks too.

Karma or business per usual when dealing with Nokia.

The numbers dropped for Symbian, which was billed as a deadend product. It will drop for WP7 devices since they've all become deadend devices as of today's announcement. No damage control can repair this announcement.

Agree 100%.

Re: Nokia's Flagship Lumia 900 obsolete in less than a year?
 

Time to re-employ and reboot the Harmattan teams!!

(Oh if only)

Re: Nokia's Flagship Lumia 900 obsolete in less than a year?
 

We wish... WP8 is still a let down.

Nothing exciting on it.

Re: Nokia's Flagship Lumia 900 obsolete in less than a year?
 

But it is very likely. If WP8 was capable of running on the next gen "low-end" hardware (say 1 GHz Cortex A8 kinda performance), it should be possible to bring WP8 to the current Lumia 800/900 phones. So that makes me suspect WP8 will require multi cores scorpion/A9/krait/A15 to run correctly, or other hardware upgrades (more RAM possibly or a bigger boot flash partition).
When will those type of chips be pushed to the low-end? End of 2013? 2014? And what should developers do until then? Target the select group of WP8 customers, or use only WP7 features?
I'm very curious how this turns out.

In any case the low-end android phones also have big problems. I think the sub 200 euro android-hardware is really bad, and they also have no upgrade path. Compared to those phones the Lumia 610 looks wonderful and the software is smooth. A great choice imo, even without software upgrades.

Re: Nokia's Flagship Lumia 900 obsolete in less than a year?
 

Although I am the largest fan/supporter of Maemo, the above is not completely true, although we all pretty much knew that Windows 8 was coming, and the Lumia/Windows 7.5 processors would probably not handle the workload or be compatible...

The N9 will live on while these lumias will be phased out early, as are any 1st gen commercial enterprise products...

Microsoft is however promising the world for Windows 8 phones, dual core, huge ram, 16:9 720p, etc...as well as AT LEAST 1.5 years of firmware updates guarenteed....we will see if the 1.5 years of firmware updates come true, if so, this is quite amazing, since no OEMs do this. (Other than Apple with their yearly refresh/possible update)

Now, google does not do this, b/c they are completely fragmented, and iOS does not update as often...I am interested to see if MSFT can make these promises come true.

I am a bit skeptical, but at least they are being honest...I purchased the 770 with first gen Maemo, and then Nokia killed it quickly, no upgrade capability...same with the 800 for my cousin...then the N900 for myself, which Nokia killed with the announcement of Maemo 6 a few months after its release...Maemo community kept it alive...now I have the N9, which was technically killed months prerelease, but we will keep this alive as well...

Lumia can't be kept alive like the N9 though...so to the suckers who purchased it (pointing at one famous troll here), a big Nelson "HaHAA", and hopefully Windows 8 can bring life to Nokia, which still has the best hardware and map support...if they can couple this OS with the best hardware, they have Samsung beaten already (worst quality materials out there).

Re: Nokia's Flagship Lumia 900 obsolete in less than a year?
 

WP8 is to bring NFC (amongst other things). But the "610 NFC" already has NFC, and it is running Tango. Any idea what this is all about?

Re: Nokia's Flagship Lumia 900 obsolete in less than a year?
 

I assume it will get WP7.8 and that WP7.8 could very well add the NFC and wallet applications functions demoed in the WP8 talk.
In the talk a guy from Orange France was also talking about NFC tech. I doubt Orange would put a lot of money behind this if it was only for a couple of high-end phones.

Re: Nokia's Flagship Lumia 900 obsolete in less than a year?
 

HAHAHAHAHAHA this is just lovely. Nokia and MS think they can screw costumers, developers and carriers once again LOL. Good riddance for both of them

Re: Nokia's Flagship Lumia 900 obsolete in less than a year?
 

Samsung also know how to make high quality devices (hardware vise), but they don't do it unless they have to. I'm more confused about the whole WP ting now than I was before.

I have a feeling that WP8 requires extremely high end chips/RAM to even turn the engine properly, not to mention running apps. And what about WP7.X ? Seriously, there is something that's not right here. Just last week Nokia was talking about WP7 being pushed far down to low end. I don't see how all this add up.

Re: Nokia's Flagship Lumia 900 obsolete in less than a year?
 

MS is doing the right thing. They are upgrading an already smooth platform , and incrementally making it better. Unlike the N9 failure

Re: Nokia's Flagship Lumia 900 obsolete in less than a year?
 

Actually Nokia said they will be pushing Windows Phone in general down to low-end (they didn't talk about WP7 or WP8 in specific afaik).

But I also get the feeling Windows 8 for ARM and WP8 requires very beefy hardware and may be a lot less "ready" than MS wants us to believe. During the Surface presentation they showed so little of the software, that makes me suspicious.
But we will see when Microsoft releases the WP8 SDK this summer. I'm very curious to see what they changed in the SDK compared to the WP7 SDK (since they are supporting native C code now)

Re: Nokia's Flagship Lumia 900 obsolete in less than a year?
 

I would hazard a guess that Nokia was already aware of Microsofts plans for Windows8, hence their reason to announce that they were going to push WP7 to the lower end of the market.

We already know that Flop and Ballface are in each others pockets so they may have discussed this already, not to mention that they have frequently stated that both the MS&Nok engineer and design teams have been working closely together since the announcement of the lumia phones. Surely this was known in advance?

What makes no sense is how nokia have been striving for the unified phoneOS (to the point where they have been killing off their own device operating systems), only to adopt Windows phone which is now effectively a multipleOS line.

Pretty messed up huh?

Re: Nokia's Flagship Lumia 900 obsolete in less than a year?
 

A similar sentiment is on gizmodo.
And when you look at the future windows platform i think you are right, Microsoft has to do it this way. But in the short term microsoft almost has to start from scratch because of this reset. In the short term this will slow-down the growth of the ecosystem. High-end phone customers will wait for the WP8 devices, and developers will focus on the functions that are also in the low-end WP7 devices, since those are in use.
Microsoft is betting that the entire Windows 8 ecosystem will explode in size because of simultaneous phone, tablet and desktop launches.
I fear all three will have extremely slow adoption because of the size of the change and hardware prices.
I also think that application development will remain very much separate for tablet, phone and desktop even with the shared metro interface.

But I could be wrong :)

Re: Nokia's Flagship Lumia 900 obsolete in less than a year?
 

It's the way that Nokia basically did with Maemo. Each major iteration of their OS basically was applicable to only one iteration of their hardware.

However, I do not agree with it since lately, iOS and Android (for some devices, not all) have all enjoyed major OS updates past the initial release.

By the time WP8 comes out, dual core is no longer high end. In fact, the decisions around the innards of the Lumia 900 seem to show that Nokia went with the Microsoft standard hardware requirements, didn't differentiate themselves from other WP7 devices and ultimately have created a situation where the so-called millions of Lumia 900 purchases are now left without an update.

The Lumia 900 now feels just like the N9, N900, N810 and 770... released and left to die on the vine.

At least Samsung has done a better job than that in that one regard - updates. The communities surrounding those devices are offering fully functioning ROMS that make calls, send/receive messages and can install updated software via Google's Android store. Cannot say the same for

Agree. It's going to take more than Office 2013, Visual Studio being Metro UI only to push folks to Win8, Win8 RT and WP8.

Agree here too.

I've made a career out of being wrong.

Re: Nokia's Flagship Lumia 900 obsolete in less than a year?
 

Meh, M$ has been saying this about almost all new releases (remember how WP7 was a completely new system light years ahead of Windows Mobile 6.5?).

How many times have they renamed their mobile OS, just because people generally thought it was the suck?

What is their market share today? What was it a year ago?

And still, as far as I'm concerned, WP7.5 can't even touch OS2005 in terms of features - well, maybe it can make better phone calls, but thats about it ;).

Re: Nokia's Flagship Lumia 900 obsolete in less than a year?
 

FAIL!

Two bitterly confused companies developing confused products.
What a joke.

Re: Nokia's Flagship Lumia 900 obsolete in less than a year?
 

hmmm, let me think: Windows CE, Windows Pocket PC, Windows Smartphone, Windows Mobile and now Windows Phone.
Not THAT many times :D

Re: Nokia's Flagship Lumia 900 obsolete in less than a year?
 

MS is not confused and NOKIA lost the software war. Nothing more to it

Re: Nokia's Flagship Lumia 900 obsolete in less than a year?
 

Er you misread the news the ARE NOT upgrading anything. But no worries right your whore 900 is smooth enough already :D

Re: Nokia's Flagship Lumia 900 obsolete in less than a year?
 

Awesomely imagined desktop. Looks just like my N900's photo gallery. Yoohoo.

WP is a pure unorganized mess. Enjoy it little dudee...

Re: UPDATE: "1st post" Nokia's Flagship Lumia 900 obsolete in less than a year? ELOP RESPONDS
 

WOW just WOW.


:eek: As we have always been, Nokia is committed to delivering a long term experience to any purchasers of our products.:eek:


http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/20/l...-stephen-elop/

Re: UPDATE: "1st post" Nokia's Flagship Lumia 900 obsolete in less than a year? ELOP RESPONDS
 

Ok before I read the new update on Elop response in the first, I will guess that elop will be spewing the same "strategic partnership" and ecosystem drivel without saying anything concrete.

Now to click on the link... brb

Edit: Well I was surprised to not read his usual comments but still, he stayed true to form by not answering the question posed directly to him.

Re: UPDATE: "1st post" Nokia's Flagship Lumia 900 obsolete in less than a year? ELOP RESPONDS
 

I'm paraphrasing:

As we have always been, Microsoft is committed to lead companies into bankruptcy and killing any software with an open door in the long term.

Re: Nokia's Flagship Lumia 900 obsolete in less than a year?
 

Khm... Kin... Khm :rolleyes: