Odd reply from Stephen Elop
 

So i emailed Stepon elop with some questions that were bothering me bout Microsoft's decision. I cant figure out what his reply means
Below is the reply i got for my email. Does he mean Meego still has a future when he said "both with Lumia ...."?



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Thanks for your note. I think both with Lumia today and products in the future we will have lots of exciting opportunities for you.



Regards,



Stephen





From: ext hiren amin [mailto:hrr4@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 14:14
To: Elop Stephen (Nokia/Espoo)
Subject: Meego & Win 7



I understand the company has to adapt to changes around it and I believe win7 was the right way to go for the Nokia's outstanding hardware, but should Nokia really put all their trust on one company. I am outraged with Microsoft for putting out the news so early about Lumia's not bieng able to upgrade to win8 still about 4 months to go for the release why should someone invest in a Lumia phone at the moment? Why should nokia only stick to Win8? Why cant nokia use both Meego and Win8 for their products? I know symbian is still there but Meego has the ability to capture alot of Android and IOS users, I was surprised by my N9 it exceeded my expectation even though i got it almost a year after its release. Is nokia planning to release more Meego phones with better hardware? I would love to see pureview on a Meego handset, not only me there are thousands of diehard meego fans.

I was intrigued to get Lumia900 but MS has put me off, 7.8 just wouldnt cut it for me, but hopefully nokia will have more OS choices in the future if not i guess i will have no choice but to get win8.





- Hiren

Re: Odd reply from Stephen Elop
 

Both means Lumia today (one) and Lumia tomorrow (two). He's not regarding MeeGo at all.

Re: Odd reply from Stephen Elop
 

makes me wonder he probably didnt even read my email, just replied with a stock response.

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That is pretty much the same reply that was given in the engadget article. Looks like this will be his new rhetoric for the time being?

I wonder if he truly knows what Microsofts plans for Nokia now? He does seem to have lost confidence in his replies.

Re: Odd reply from Stephen Elop
 

No, it means exactly what he said. Lumia today and products in the future. Products being anything Nokia will produce in the future (at some point they will change name, maybe even for the first WP8 as to differentiate beween that and the obsolete Lumia)

Products also means 808 PureView. God, there's only raving reviews of that phone. A few days ago I was too fed up with Lumias and WP7/8, but I can't resist the 808. Just gotta have it :D

Even the screen is good despite the low resolution. Tests show a perfect screen, the best ever tested:

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_808_pu...review-776.php

Nokia top 3:

1. 808 Pure View
2. N8 and N9

I even hope they make it with WP8. Create some good devices with funky hardware that can stand up to the hordes of Androids. Androids, they're like Space Invaders, endless swarms of identical robots with a "mother" (SGSXXX) coming from time to time.

Re: Odd reply from Stephen Elop
 

Why do you guys mail him anyway? Isn't it clear at this point what he is doing to Nokia do you think he cares about Nokia costumers???

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Specc is spot on. NOKIA is doing what it has to do. Shed the Taliban phone and go with few good ones.

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It is easy to put too much meaning into these things. The best is to take it word by word. But I think you are right. Elop hoped the Lumias would sell much better than they did. With the announcement of WP8, the whole Lumia thing with WP7 seems like a big joke. It certainly is over for the Lumias, this is the end.

Or maybe he finally starts to get it, you know - ooops, what HAVE I done??!!! :D

The truth is that Nokia was in much worse shape than we could ever imagine. From the outside, it looked like some small adjustment would do it, but the reality was a company that had grown way out of proportions. They had no coherent sustainable plan and no product line that could survive the attack from Android/Apple or low end Chinese manufacturers. Nokia was an overemployd big blob, and the only thing that kept it going was the momentum from previous glory. Too pride to go Android and too blobby to make their own ecosystem/OS'es competitive in time.

Elop was hired to save whatever could be saved and cut away everything else. As it turned out, that wasn't much, but maybe, just maybe it was enough. We will see.

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Not sure how to trust Nokia any more, the way they speak and do shows that their top priority is Microsoft's interests only. Over the last two years they effectively killed symbian, meego, meltemi, qt and go with wp. Belle, N9, and pureview showed clearly how wrong and rushed their decision was.

Re: Odd reply from Stephen Elop
 

I have a proposal: Let's send emails only with the word MeeGo, I already send 40 xD

Re: Odd reply from Stephen Elop
 

Until further notice, 'both' simply means Lumia (as in WP7.5) and future products (which we can safely presume mean Nokia WP8 smartphones and S40/Asha devices.

'Products' is a wide description, it does not refer solely to smartphones but could mean all peripherals....any accessory, tablet, etc.

There is no change in smartphone strategy.

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I think that's called spam. . .

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What are we talking about future products from Nokia? Nokia is dying right before your eyes; do you honestly think Nokia has any future? Nokia has burnt all its bridges, tied its future to WP and lost. Kicked, betrayed, backstabbed and killed by its so-called partner, Microsoft. Let me give you a rundown.

The Kick: Microsoft reveals its own Windows 8 tablet
So much for Elop's gung-ho about producing WP tablets as a future product.

The Betrayal: Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8 for fall release, incompatible with current devices
This mean Nokia has practically nothing to sell for the next 2 quarters.

The Backstab: Huawei looks to build Windows Phone 8 handset, Windows 8 tablet
China's smartphone market is twice the size of U.S. and crucial to Nokia's comeback but the rug has been pulled from under Nokia.

The Death Blow: Microsoft may be making own phone, says analyst
Once MS starts making its own phone, all other WP manufacturers will have to get out. They can't very well compete with the maker of the OS. Hence MS will be following Apple's model of one company controlling both hardware and OS.

Re: Odd reply from Stephen Elop
 

Sounds like a drunk prostitute.

The kick (to the groin).
The betrayal (by taking money upfront).
The backstab (with a knife).
The Death Blow (I'll let you ponder that one).

I'm just surprised he was able to get Elop's email.
Care to PM it to me?

Re: Odd reply from Stephen Elop
 

You mean stephen.elop@nokia.com or mole_XX307@microsoft.com ? :rolleyes:

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Stephen is not that stupid. He knows what he's doing and the aim is to hurt Linux on embedded market and maybe to sink Nokia if that's what it takes.

Tell me one single action by him that has raised Nokia's market value? I bet you find it hard to find any.

Now how about actions that have brought the share value down? Too many to count. Or actions to kill platforms that are direct competitors with Microsoft?

Sorry, but I find it - from day one of the partnership -, that Nokia is in bed with Microsoft against it's own interests. BoD seems like bunch of ignorants dancing by MS tune into eventual downfall of Nokia. They seem to have no clue about realities of the industry and where the trends lay.

Instead of listening to current and potential customers, they listen to MS shills whispering to their ears comfortable lies about how WP whatever will save Nokia.

Microsoft simply couldn't afford letting Intel and Nokia push Linux to mobile and embedded space at full force. In face of such competition they had to act and that action was coinvincing US shareholders and Nokia BoD to hire Elop instead of originally planned Vanjoki (who favored Linux as the future platform for Nokia).

Maybe I am wrong, but atleast in the light of all evidence, it makes more sense than thinking that Elop is just stupid and has no bias towards MS platform.

@Nokia: Either way, I got my N9 and it rocks. Thank you Nokia. As you've got no more of that coming, please fu(k off.

Re: Odd reply from Stephen Elop
 

I think instead of involving Lumia, Nokia should put pure view in Meego, to avenge mircosoft of their betrayal and to promote Meego. Meego is the best executive OS in market with plenty of competence. Think Nokia think........

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By burning platforms behind him - killing pretty much every MeeGo related project in house + closing Salo factory - Elop has made sure none of that happens even if Nokia wakes up from their sleep.

Re: Odd reply from Stephen Elop
 

#16 Ladoga=

Makes complete sense to me. Explains why they drastically limited the availability of the N9. When it became evident that the N9 was becoming more widely available outside of their restrictions what else could they do but kill it off by ceasing production and support so soon.

I don't own the N900 because it's a Nokia. I own it because of Maemo 5.
I get the sense that it's MY phone, not Google's or Apple's or Microsoft's for that matter. If someone made a back cover and a bezel that didn't have Nokia carved into them and if someone found a way to delete all references to Nokia in the O/S I'd do it tomorrow.

Re: Odd reply from Stephen Elop
 

Conspiracy theories are wrong. Period. I mean all of them, it's just naive and stupid, and a result of FUD and an inability to see the simple, practical and objective solutions instead of the creative and emotional. Conspiracy theories is something stupid and emotionally (over)sensitive people involve themselves with (fanboys?).

Elop is not stupid, but he is not a CEO with deep technological understanding and far reaching visions either. He is a thug, a slugger. He was hired to do exactly what he is doing. It's a big blow for him that Lumia didn't sell more than they did. You may call that stupid, but it was a calculated risk. If it didn't pay off, at least Nokia would be honed towards producing WP8 phones and as a bonus it could explore the lower end of the market with cheap WP7 phones. Lets be honest and objective, if they can manage to get WP7 in the Asha price range, they will sell like hot cakes.

From an objective point of view, what has happened with Nokia can easily be explained by the simple fact that it was a company in free fall with no believe that their products could survive the competition. The fact that 75% of the company consisted of blubber didn't exactly help.

Re: Odd reply from Stephen Elop
 

His email is not hard to find even googling would get u his email

stephen.elop@nokia.com

Re: Odd reply from Stephen Elop
 

You could try to prove them wrong if you can.

And how do you do that? There is no way to bring WP7 (and WP8 either?) to low price range, because software licence takes atleast one third of the selling price, and 512 mt of RAM is required to such a "heavy" program like skype. The death of Nokia's linux projects gave that market to Android.

That's right for sure!

Re: Odd reply from Stephen Elop
 

After watching Inside job yesterday everything is a conspiracy theory to me xD

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I suppose you are right here but this would be true of any smartphone platform, even Symbian. It's not going to happen because Asha is really a feature phone. The crux is whether a low priced WP7.5 phone can compete with a low end Android. I seriously doubt it as even a low end Android has less restrictions, is more customizable and enjoy a bigger app store than any WP7.5 phone.

It's not just the cost of the phone but the whole ecosystem. One needs a PC capable of running Zune and data connections for both PC and phone to be able to use the phone effectively. In developing countries where data is expensive many users depend on bluetooth file transfer which WP7.5 lacks. This OS has been designed for consumers in rich Western countries where data is cheap and most users have 3G contracts. The wi-fi even shuts down when the phone sleeps and transfer background data usage to 3G.

Re: Odd reply from Stephen Elop
 

And 808...:D that's about it, before Nokia becomes MicroNokia

Re: Odd reply from Stephen Elop
 

or MiniNokia...

Re: Odd reply from Stephen Elop
 

Yes, you are right. Didn't think about it, but at the lower end, that's where all the limitations of WP7 really kicks in.

Nokia is toast. WP7 goes down in history as the biggest **** up of all times regarding mobile OS. The Lumia series goes down in history as the least successful smartphone series of all time. Elop goes down in history as the least successful CEO of all times.

To me it looks like now that he just didn't get it. He had all the information at his fingertips, everything about Nokia and MS, what can be done, what can't be done. A dozen of experts guiding him. Even then he was too stupid to understand what was going on.

Whatever, soon I will have the Asus Nexus 7 tablet and an 808. Then I will be happy for at least half a year LOL :D

Re: Odd reply from Stephen Elop
 

i think he is not care about nokia.
symbian is half-dead. Meego is over. and now lumia ...

Re: Odd reply from Stephen Elop
 

I think their last chance is with WP8. If they are able to come out with a phone at least as striking as the 808, the stock and mind share may well climb back. Although it's a shame they can't do anything about it until then. But hey, anything better than Google or Samsung for me :D

Re: Odd reply from Stephen Elop
 

That email is so typical of Elop.

You talked extensively of the N9, yet he fails to aknowledge it's existence in his response.

He always skirts around mentioning the N9, it's like that guy in Harry Potter where they mustn't speak his name:rolleyes:

Lucky for us we already have the N9, IMO in a near perfect state, hopefully PR1.3 will polish it off nicely so thankfully we won't be needing Elop anyway.

Very sad the decline of Nokia, I plan to buy one more after my N9(the 808) and after that I reall have no idea where I'll go, with no interest in iOS or Android, maybe BB if it's still surviving. Then I'm thinking a long way ahead, N9 and 808 should keep me going for some years:)

Re: Odd reply from Stephen Elop
 

Calculated risk? In the best case it reduces Nokia to simple HW manufacturer, when all the value (and thus profits) lays in software. No matter how well the WP sells it can be only race to bottom for Nokia due to those very thin profit marigins.

That myth won't become true no matter how much it's repeated. Facts show that Nokia was the world's largest cell phone manufacturer when Elop came into office. Today Nokia is in free fall and it doesn't take conspiracy theories to show that this fall is due to all out Windows strategy.

Re: Odd reply from Stephen Elop
 

Well said. 100% Accurate and True.

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I don't see any mystery here. We know Microsoft wants to buy Nokia. We know Microsoft controls Nokia via the Elop proxy.

Now what would you do with the company you want to buy? Nourish it and increase its value, so you have to pay more when you finally put the money down?

Elop has only one goal: Drive Nokia's market value to the ground, so Microsoft can easily pick up what's left of them.

Re: Odd reply from Stephen Elop
 

I truly do not believe that Microsoft needs to buy Nokia.

This is Microsoft we're talking about here. Back in the Bill Gates days, he would have done that so the FTC would not come knocking on their door. A much smarter move than the "crush their balls" technique of Ballmer. I'm quite sure there will be an investigation and/or blockage of a Microsoft/Nokia buyout.

I disagree. He might just be in place to get rid of Nokia and even the playing field by taking the 15+ year champ off the map completely.

All are theories; in due time we'll find out who's right, who's wrong.

Re: Odd reply from Stephen Elop
 

We should flood his inbox with more Maemo/Meego requests. And wait n' see whether he is as hard as a rock !!

Re: Odd reply from Stephen Elop
 

He will surely change his mind after that! And by mind I mean e-mail address.

Re: Odd reply from Stephen Elop
 

Your plans about flooding his inbox is almost fool proof, except for that feature called "Block by subject" thing that has been around for a long time. :P

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While I do agree with you that WP7 has the price point limitation, I don't think it's fair to say that WP7 will go down history as a f**k up. You seem to forget that this Microsoft we are talking about, not just Nokia. There are some notable products from Microsoft that wasn't exactly well received at first, but you never saw them give up. For example, when the XBOX came out, it sucked. Games were mostly PC ports, and Sony and Nintendo's market share were vastly larger than Microsoft's. But when they came out with the XBOX 360, it slowly began to eat market share, and now it's the world's most popular gaming console. Again, THIS IS MICROSOFT we are talking about. A company that has incredibly deep pockets.

I guess so much of this hate for a closed-source mobile OS is due to the fact that this is an online community of hardcore, open-source geeks, which is a good thing of course! But for what it's worth, I really love Windows Phone 7's features, UI, and speed. And its app library will only get bigger once WP8 comes out, along with Windows 8.

Oh and for the record, this is coming from an N9 user (I love it to death).

Do I wish they would have given MeeGo a chance? Of course, Hell yes. Am I said they didn't? I weep everyday. Am I excited with the new breed of Nokia phones with WP8? Absolutely. I am not a fanboi. No allegiance. No commitments. Just go where the cutting edge is.

I'm no expert, but the way I see it, Microsoft is going to buy Nokia eventually. I mean, they intend sell their own tablets that use their own software, so it's almost logical to sell their own phones that use their own software. That's just my 2 cents though.

Re: Odd reply from Stephen Elop
 

Maybe Steve (Job) Elops should see this (MeeGo) commercial:

http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/25/n...uld-have-been/

Re: Odd reply from Stephen Elop
 

Its all Symbian stuff. No go