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addy007 2012-08-17 00:08

Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
Helloo, as we all know nokia n9 doesnot play some 720p videos and all 1080p downloaded videos from cutetube.
this is required because im sure that we all n9 users want to benefit from clear black display led screen. :)
please find a solution ...
cheers....!!!

ibrakalifa 2012-08-17 00:55

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
upgrade your gpu dude, :D

cincibluer6 2012-08-17 01:16

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
If the display is 800x480 or whatever it is, how does 1080p even become necessary? It's just more pixels that need to be downscaled to the resolution of the phone.

SamGan 2012-08-17 02:21

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cincibluer6 (Post 1252790)
If the display is 800x480 or whatever it is, how does 1080p even become necessary? It's just more pixels that need to be downscaled to the resolution of the phone.

He wants to be able to play 1080p video off the web without having to convert them. This is not going to happen with a single core device even if all the codecs are there.

HELLASISGREECE 2012-08-17 02:44

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SamGan (Post 1252799)
This is not going to happen with a single core device even if all the codecs are there.

808 Pureview wants a word with you

thedead1440 2012-08-17 03:35

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
Why is the single core card played I don't understand...Isn't it plain to see since day 1 that the n9 has a poor GPU hence the video performance is poor?

After all my 680Mhz single core A11 chip N8 could play 1080p well too...

flopjoke 2012-08-17 07:01

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
N8 could play anything you throw at it. I think it's definitely lack of codecs since the hardware is powerful enough to play them.

thedead1440 2012-08-17 07:18

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
the n8 has a broadcom GPU thats much much more powerful than the sgx 530 chip on the n9. So its a hardware limitation that might somewhat be able to be corrected with a change in kernel and oc'ing the GPU...

ofcourse codecs are responsible too but hardware is the main issue because no amount of safe oc'ing and kernel change can get 1080p rendered by the sgx chip...

ibrakalifa 2012-08-17 07:46

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
I dont need 1080p , give me 'real' 720p please, its enough, no more 720p low profile only, :/

rainisto 2012-08-17 07:56

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
never happening with the GPU that is on N9. This issue has already been said on 10+ threads in this forum, please use search before starting yet another thread.

You need to buy N8 if you want to play 720p or 1080p.

knobtviker 2012-08-17 08:39

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
Give me a break with single core card.
I have a Raspberry Pi board with single core 700MHz and it runs XBMC and all videos play.
It's a software related issue. I can open the video and play it in 3rd party apps, but it's very slow. So that means no hardware acceleration.
There's your problem, probably frontend of the player is not connected or there are no drivers to the GPU.
Write that and we are all happy :D

addy007 2012-08-17 09:38

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
lol..
stop fighting ...
now tell me how to delete this thread. Hhahah

thedead1440 2012-08-17 09:40

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by knobtviker (Post 1252862)
Give me a break with single core card.
I have a Raspberry Pi board with single core 700MHz and it runs XBMC and all videos play.
It's a software related issue. I can open the video and play it in 3rd party apps, but it's very slow. So that means no hardware acceleration.
There's your problem, probably frontend of the player is not connected or there are no drivers to the GPU.
Write that and we are all happy :D

Pi uses a Broadcom SOC...again the sgx530 is a worse performer than the Broadcom SOC...

So like i said earlier its not the processor but the GPU...

addy007 2012-08-17 09:45

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1252878)
Pi uses a Broadcom SOC...again the sgx530 is a worse performer than the Broadcom SOC...

So like i said earlier its not the processor but the GPU...

some of the 720p vids dont work while others do. Whats wrong with it.
second, if i convert 1080p , it does play 1080p. What doea poor gpu do then??

flopjoke 2012-08-17 10:49

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
haha come on knobtviker.. the Raspberry Pi has one of the most powerful mobile GPUs there is. It's twice as powerful as the iPhone 4S's GPU.

Source:

http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/...ance-20120125/

But what thedead1440 said is right.

N8 uses Broadcom BCM2727 GPU which is capable of producing 32 Mtriangles/sec and has dedicated 3D Graphics HW accelerator. This GPU is still a very powerful one today and you can witness that by just transferring 720p or 1080p videos and playing normally without any lag.

N9 on the other hand uses a PowerVR SGX530 GPU, which is capable of producing only 14 Mtriangles/sec. Also, a point to be noted is that the iPhone 3GS, which is around 3 years old, uses a SGX535 GPU, which is slightly better than the 530 version N9 uses. You can see the result, as the N9, even after PR1.3 update, stutters a bit even while playing the low bitrate 720p videos recorded by the device itself.

This is sad, because everything about the N9 was looking good, but Nokia just had to ruin the game. Damn. BUT, it is also possible that there are less drivers and codecs available for Harmattan to actually play any video properly. Having said that, video performance can be improved to an acceptable extent, if there is further development on the software part.

Just a side note: N900 has the same SGX530 GPU which N9 uses. But Nitdroid can run 720p videos smoothly and even on Maemo, with overclocking and other tweaks.

HELLASISGREECE 2012-08-17 14:23

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
The Android "fad" has convinced a lot of people that dual/quad core cpus are needed in order to record 1080 videos, to play great 3d games, to serf the web correctly, etc etc

Well that isn't true.

HELLASISGREECE 2012-08-17 14:27

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1252808)
Why is the single core card played I don't understand...Isn't it plain to see since day 1 that the n9 has a poor GPU hence the video performance is poor?

After all my 680Mhz single core A11 chip N8 could play 1080p well too...

So that's true... wow
I mean, I've read it couple of times here and there but now I believe it.

N9 has a weaker GPU than S^3 line.. And I mean the 1st gen S^3 line (E7,N8,C7 etc)

wow

thedead1440 2012-08-17 15:06

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HELLASISGREECE (Post 1252968)
So that's true... wow
I mean, I've read it couple of times here and there but now I believe it.

N9 has a weaker GPU than S^3 line.. And I mean the 1st gen S^3 line (E7,N8,C7 etc)

wow

Well we are talking about Nokia here...

No matter how much I hate to admit but Nokia have never released a complete flagship phone that could be considered the best among the competition in all aspects...

Don't even get me started on the stupid categorization of Series by E, N & C...E7 vs N8 is a prime example of the really stupid competition that used to exist within Nokia...

HELLASISGREECE 2012-08-17 20:04

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1252987)
Well we are talking about Nokia here...

No matter how much I hate to admit but Nokia have never released a complete flagship phone that could be considered the best among the competition in all aspects....

There was a time...
* 2002, it was called 7650. (the P800 followed months later)
* 2004, the 7710 (if you exclude its slow 150mhz cpu. it kicked P-Series in the balls)
* 2005 the N91 (though released a whole year later)
* 2006-7 .. the N95
* 2009 , the N900
* 2010, N8

ibrakalifa 2012-08-17 20:13

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
But my lg optimus black(has same gpu with n9) almost play anything smoothly (except 1080p of course), i think n9 need more codecs

Dragoss91 2012-08-17 20:19

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by addy007 (Post 1252877)
lol..
stop fighting ...
now tell me how to delete this thread. Hhahah

senseless trolling ...

slaapliedje 2012-08-17 22:02

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
Try out KMplayer and Mplayer2.

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...87#post1242587

slaapliedje

addy007 2012-08-18 00:38

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragoss91 (Post 1253070)
senseless trolling ...

ohh really.. I didnt knew it mr genious.. Can u help me the if u didnt found it funny

thedead1440 2012-08-18 01:44

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HELLASISGREECE (Post 1253064)
There was a time...
* 2002, it was called 7650. (the P800 followed months later)
* 2004, the 7710 (if you exclude its slow 150mhz cpu. it kicked P-Series in the balls)
* 2005 the N91 (though released a whole year later)
* 2006-7 .. the N95
* 2009 , the N900
* 2010, N8

Well all of them had their short-comings...That's what I was referring to...It has always been that Nokia would strip 1 or 2 features [either thro' software or hardware limitations] from their flagships hence never has there been a complete flagship phone from Nokia...

thedead1440 2012-08-18 01:52

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ibrakalifa (Post 1253069)
But my lg optimus black(has same gpu with n9) almost play anything smoothly (except 1080p of course), i think n9 need more codecs

Yup the SGX530 is able to handle the full range of 720p videos but due to the lack of codecs and drivers we have the issue on the n9...1080p on the other hand has no chance on the chip...

Just remember that the SGX530 is a 7-year old chip [from announcement]. OTOH the SGX540 used in the GNexus is less than 5-years old so the difference in video playback will be present...

ibrakalifa 2012-08-18 05:36

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
Sgs2 uses mali400 afaik, sgx540 is on nexus, @_@

thedead1440 2012-08-18 06:28

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ibrakalifa (Post 1253160)
Sgs2 uses mali400 afaik, sgx540 is on nexus, @_@

Yup i stand corrected...

However, the performances of the mali400 and sgx540 easily beat the sgx530 we have on the n9...

ibrakalifa 2012-08-18 06:51

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
Oh well, thx to nokia that will never gonna give us maemo with latest gpu and latest SoC, :|

Dragoss91 2012-08-18 08:40

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by addy007 (Post 1253124)
ohh really.. I didnt knew it mr genious.. Can u help me the if u didnt found it funny

Yes I can help you ... stephen.elop@nokia.com .

N9 can not play 1080p videos as N900 doesn't have capacitive screen and will never have one , just simply because it doesn't works .

addy007 2012-08-18 09:01

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragoss91 (Post 1253195)
Yes I can help you ... stephen.elop@nokia.com .

N9 can not play 1080p videos as N900 doesn't have capacitive screen and will never have one , just simply because it doesn't works .

then how am i able to play 1080p converted videos wdout any hesitation? This just means that it requires codecs mr genious.

ibrakalifa 2012-08-18 09:09

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
convert it to 720p LOWPROFILE dude, and you will be happy, or upgrade your gpu, do it at your own risk :p

dumpystig 2012-08-18 09:43

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
Please can you give me further info on upgrading my GPU? Any how-to's or youtube links would be great.

I am pretty handy with a soldering iron.

Thanks

ibrakalifa 2012-08-18 10:09

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
Afaik, SoC = processor+gpu are one package , cmiiw

so we unable to do that, if that can happen, i will upgrade my ram or gpu on n900 first, :)

dumpystig 2012-08-18 10:16

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
So where can I get a guide on SOC replacement? I will do that instead.

I have solder.

user/zero 2012-08-18 10:39

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
You can't just take the motherboard apart, cram in a new SoC (even if you were able to get your hands on one and the pins fitted) and expect it to work. That's why these are called embedded systems.
Off-topic: Also, Broadcom produces arguably superior (but more tightly integrated?) GPUs than Imagination Technologies. Too bad they're coupling it with that joke of a CPU but hey, maybe they'll upgrade the design some time? :)

dumpystig 2012-08-18 10:44

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
OK thanks.

How about fitting a complete mobo from another phone, say a Nexus?

I have de-soldering braid too :)

MSameer 2012-08-22 08:50

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
Video decoding should mainly happen on the DSP.

I think the GPU is not the bottleneck here.

Even if the DSP is capable (I'm not sure), we still need decoders which are unfortunately not available.

GrimyHR 2012-08-23 18:19

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MSameer (Post 1254457)
Video decoding should mainly happen on the DSP.

I think the GPU is not the bottleneck here.

Even if the DSP is capable (I'm not sure), we still need decoders which are unfortunately not available.

dsp depends on the gpu here, and dsp in n9 is pure ****, even VIAs dsp working on 350MHz beats the crap out of one in n9 working on 800MHz

godofwar424 2012-08-23 18:25

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dumpystig (Post 1253234)
OK thanks.

How about fitting a complete mobo from another phone, say a Nexus?

I have de-soldering braid too :)

Although the nexus uses the chip that should have been in our N9. It wont work due to driver issues.

Its an awful lot of hassle. Just use the Nexus lol

MSameer 2012-08-23 19:58

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GrimyHR (Post 1255040)
dsp depends on the gpu here, and dsp in n9 is pure ****, even VIAs dsp working on 350MHz beats the crap out of one in n9 working on 800MHz

DSP is bundled with the whole soc.

Why is VAs dsp better ?

A lot of improvements could have been done but you know what happened :(


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