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jayakumark 2007-08-08 20:44

What will happen if nokia adds mobile and GPS chip to its tablet.
 
Note the following point in LinuxDevices Article

Asked whether Nokia might also consider adding a cellular radio chip to its Linux-based Internet tablet in the future, Jaaksi replied, "It's more a business model than a technology barrier."


If nokia Embeds a mobile chip what is going to happen my predictions are
1. Iphone will be killed
2. Nokias all other phone models (Especially N series will not sell)
3. May be it can cost around 400$
4. If mass market arrives it will be less than 300$ or even 200$
5. May be they can also add GPS to it but it will kill their own navigation kit costing 250$ so they will not do it.

The point 2 is why nokia is fearing about N800

Why cant any other company try to build N800 with GPS and Mobile chip
Openmoko v2 (with wifi) is somewhere near but screen size makes it unusable

Some suggestions to nokia:
Nokia 770 for just 130$ can act as a very good mp3 player and Mp4 player .
Who needs ipod nano and cowon or archos ..The problem is they are not marketing them, fearing sales on Nseries. Please market it as a Entertainment device to get at least some market share of PMPs.
N800 is extendable .this can replace 30gb ipods and all other similar players

Add wimax to N800 and also facilitate it to work as a wimax router to that current laptops and desktop will work when connected to n800 .In this way you can create more market.


Please add your suggestions as well also comment on my predictions

iball 2007-08-08 20:52

Re: What will happen if nokia adds mobile and GPS chip to its tablet.
 
1. iPhone will not be killed. Hundreds of thousands of Apple fanbois will see to that.

2. Nokia phone models will continue to sell because Nokia properly MARKETS them, unlike they do with their internet tablet line.

3. It will wind up costing the same as the N95, $750 or more.

4. Mass market will never arrive because Nokia can't figure out how to market anything in the U.S.

5. It won't kill their own nav kit because the same BT GPS receiver can be used with other non-built-in-GPS devices. And they would still be able to sell the software separately.

Nokia dreams they had the type of viral marketing and lock-in that Apple currently does, and that alone is why no device Nokia has - or will have in the foreseeable future - can come close to touching the iPod.
But I will say this...my Nokia N95 has more "connectivity" options/features on my Macbook Pro than the current iPhone does. Talk about pathetic (for Apple).

And wi-max will NEVER take off until every single GSM tower in {insert country here} has it up and running.

Texrat 2007-08-08 21:09

Re: What will happen if nokia adds mobile and GPS chip to its tablet.
 
I think your predictions are a gross exaggeration, jaya. I mostly agree with iBall (:p to him on his rebuttal #4 :D)

iball 2007-08-08 21:22

Re: What will happen if nokia adds mobile and GPS chip to its tablet.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 66795)
I think your predictions are a gross exaggeration, jaya. I mostly agree with iBall (:p to him on his rebuttal #4 :D)

Well, tell your homies over there at Nokia that unlike Europe they'll have to actually "work" at getting the word out about their products over here in the US.
That means billboards, radio, television, AND the internet in addition to any other "word-of-mouth" tricks like the excellent S60 flagship store meets that NO ONE outside of the S60 fanbois crowd knew about.
And they better be ready to deal with the devil. That's right, I'm talking about Walmart.
Keep the phones unlocked and just say they work with AT&T and T-Mobile on the box.
Nokia can do what Apple SHOULD HAVE DONE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
But hey, I'm sure they have a room full of college educated ad execs over there that know how it's done <cough> better than me.

omegaone37 2007-08-08 21:31

Re: What will happen if nokia adds mobile and GPS chip to its tablet.
 
I think I'll add my 2¢...

oh wait! I don't have 2¢!!!

Omega <-- an Apple fanboi

Texrat 2007-08-08 22:06

Re: What will happen if nokia adds mobile and GPS chip to its tablet.
 
Your new name is ThreadKiller.

:p

speculatrix 2007-08-08 22:13

Re: What will happen if nokia adds mobile and GPS chip to its tablet.
 
why the N800 won't kill the N95:
1/ it's too big - the ngage didn't kill their other smartphones either
2/ it doesn't have A2DP
3/ Nokia's internal politics won't let them

however, an N800 with a 3G+GSM module WOULD kill the E90 which I hear is crippled by S60, because although S60 is more developed than the 9xxx predecessor's OSs, it's not suited to a clamsheel with keyboard!

I am hoping that the new Wimax variant of the N800 will give Nokia the chance to fix the video bandwidth hardware design flaw.

Texrat 2007-08-08 22:23

Re: What will happen if nokia adds mobile and GPS chip to its tablet.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by iball (Post 66802)
Well, tell your homies over there at Nokia that unlike Europe they'll have to actually "work" at getting the word out about their products over here in the US.
That means billboards, radio, television, AND the internet in addition to any other "word-of-mouth" tricks like the excellent S60 flagship store meets that NO ONE outside of the S60 fanbois crowd knew about.
And they better be ready to deal with the devil. That's right, I'm talking about Walmart.
Keep the phones unlocked and just say they work with AT&T and T-Mobile on the box.
Nokia can do what Apple SHOULD HAVE DONE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
But hey, I'm sure they have a room full of college educated ad execs over there that know how it's done <cough> better than me.

Dude, you are singing my song. But I am constantly assured that We Are Coming Back. In order to do that, your points do have to be taken seriously. We shall see.

gigabites 2007-08-08 22:55

Re: What will happen if nokia adds mobile and GPS chip to its tablet.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jayakumark (Post 66779)
1. Iphone will be killed

HAHHAHAHA yeh right. Why are people so jealous over the iphone? I personally don't own one, and if it gets better with revisions, I might. Apple did what it does best, innovate and implement cool little ideas in a slick design. These ideas will spread into other non apple products, patent willing of course.

Having a GPS built in is forcing you to buy a brand you may not want. I like being able to buy any brand/model that will work with the N800. Same goes with a built in keyboard.

Quote:

3. May be it can cost around 400$
um, the n800 already costs $400. Unless Nokia adds bluetooth headset support, I don't want it, My Nokia 6230 is small and light and rather carry that than a cell the size of a PDA or N800 in this case.

Quote:

4. If mass market arrives it will be less than 300$ or even 200$
as much as I love my n800, there will never be a mass market for it, as it stands now.

jayakumark 2007-08-09 03:45

Re: What will happen if nokia adds mobile and GPS chip to its tablet.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by iball (Post 66784)
1. iPhone will not be killed. Hundreds of thousands of Apple fanbois will see to that.

2. Nokia phone models will continue to sell because Nokia properly MARKETS them, unlike they do with their internet tablet line.

3. It will wind up costing the same as the N95, $750 or more.

4. Mass market will never arrive because Nokia can't figure out how to market anything in the U.S.

5. It won't kill their own nav kit because the same BT GPS receiver can be used with other non-built-in-GPS devices. And they would still be able to sell the software separately.

Nokia dreams they had the type of viral marketing and lock-in that Apple currently does, and that alone is why no device Nokia has - or will have in the foreseeable future - can come close to touching the iPod.
But I will say this...my Nokia N95 has more "connectivity" options/features on my Macbook Pro than the current iPhone does. Talk about pathetic (for Apple).

And wi-max will NEVER take off until every single GSM tower in {insert country here} has it up and running.

1. U might be right..But if nokia does this before iphone reaches other countries in world. It can Happen

I can guarantee you that ,if u go and ask about apple anywhere in asia most of them will ask "Are you talking about fruit" .US is the only market for apple.


Also US is not the only country in the world. Cost is the important factor in asian countries.

Nokia global share is greater than 36% and Asian share is > 70%. Other Manufacturers dont exceed 10% individually.

2,4 Currently They dont have any Very good low cost models. If there is a single handset meeting criteria.it is enough to dominate.
http://www.mobilepundit.com/2005/06/...dels-in-india/
See this link . A little old but worth watching. model 1100 has more than 30% now. so 3 out of 10 u get in india will have this handset. since it costs less than 60$ . It was so succesful that nokia stopped it since it was eating their own high end mobile share.

There are no lock-ins (absolutely 0%) from Mobile Operators in india for GSM Handsets. and i guess this is the same in most asian regions.Whereas in US it is opposite it is nearly 100% so nokia fails there to get in with Biggies of telecom.


5. who needs to spend 250$ on GPS if oyu can get the same embedded in a phone.

3. But again cost is main a factor in other regions.

sachin007 2007-08-09 05:17

Re: What will happen if nokia adds mobile and GPS chip to its tablet.
 
Nice to see another indian in here.

iball 2007-08-09 06:08

Re: What will happen if nokia adds mobile and GPS chip to its tablet.
 
When it comes to Apple, the USA is the only country that matters.
Apple gives less than a damn about any country other than the US, so your comments about ANYTHING overseas killing the iPhone are moot.
Apple doesn't care if they don't sell a single iPhone outside the US, they've pretty much already made their "bank" on the iPhone for the next 5 years right here in the USA with a lucrative (and ridiculous) contract they suckered AT&T into.
A type of contract that no other provider on the planet would agree to, so Apple knows that they won't be making as much per iPhone sold in other countries.
It's like saying "dolphins are going to kill the iPhone".
The N800 has NOTHING to do with that type of market at all, and probably never will wi-max or no wi-max. Nothing stopping Apple right now from slapping in wi-max capabilities into a future iPhone except one thing: wi-max isn't reaching enough of the US population within the next 365 days to make it worthwhile spending resources on internal R&D.

The "thing" you want is already available. It's an HTC product and is huge and ugly as hell.
Go buy that instead.

sapporobaby 2007-08-09 06:35

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If these sales figures: http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index...ge=1&pagepos=4 are remotely correct, it would appear that Apple has a large European following. The halo effect could easily bleed over into iPhone sales. As this very forum illustrates, the IT is not a mass consumer device while the N95, iPhone, and similar devices are geared and marketed towards the average consumer. The IT does not fit this bill. The average Joe has no need for SSH, scripting, or hacking their devices. They simply want something that works. Once again,the IT misses the mark. If the next version iPhone has GPS built in, and Steve Jobs is no dummy, I would say that Nokia and the other manufactures are in deep kemchi.

iball 2007-08-09 06:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sapporobaby (Post 66925)
If the next version iPhone has GPS built in, and Steve Jobs is no dummy, I would say that Nokia and the other manufactures are in deep kemchi.

Not if there still isn't 3G HSDPA support, no user-replaceable battery, and it's $600+.
Europeans aren't stupid. They've had superior cell phone technology in Europe (and Asia) for years now and they are always about 5 years ahead of the US in that particular technical arena.
I know. I lived there for the last thirteen years.
You also have to remember that Apple has to abide by not only EU law but by each individual country's laws as well, and that can lead to them selling either a completely different iPhone from the one today or to not selling one in Europe at all.
How many of you in Europe are still waiting on iTunes TV shows or movies? Exactly.
And after the DRM & iTunes debacles Apple has had in Europe recently, I wouldn't blame them one bit if they just flat-out told Europe to "fsck off" when it comes to the iPhone.

sapporobaby 2007-08-09 07:18

Re: What will happen if nokia adds mobile and GPS chip to its tablet.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by iball (Post 66927)
Not if there still isn't 3G HSDPA support, no user-replaceable battery, and it's $600+.
Europeans aren't stupid. They've had superior cell phone technology in Europe (and Asia) for years now and they are always about 5 years ahead of the US in that particular technical arena.
I know. I lived there for the last thirteen years.
You also have to remember that Apple has to abide by not only EU law but by each individual country's laws as well, and that can lead to them selling either a completely different iPhone from the one today or to not selling one in Europe at all.
How many of you in Europe are still waiting on iTunes TV shows or movies? Exactly.
And after the DRM & iTunes debacles Apple has had in Europe recently, I wouldn't blame them one bit if they just flat-out told Europe to "fsck off" when it comes to the iPhone.

You might have a point about the HSDPA. The battery issue is moot. The sales figures for the iPod have shown, people will live with not being able to replace the battery. You are correct that Europeans are more sophisitcated than the US when it comes to mobile telephony. I have been living here for the last 20 year in Germany, Belgium, France (yuck), and currently Finland, so I know the mentality here when it comes to phones. I have no doubts that Apple will do what it has to do to meet the EU regulations regarding selling phones in the different EU territories. This is how it is done, pretty much the same way Nokia and SE do it globally as well. The good thing about this is that the European phone will more than likely be better than what was initially offererd in the US.

Frankowitz 2007-08-09 07:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sapporobaby (Post 66934)
You are correct that Europeans are more sophisitcated than the US when it comes to mobile telephony.

You should've used full stop after US. :p

sapporobaby 2007-08-09 08:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankowitz (Post 66941)
You should've used full stop after US. :p


Well as an American living in Europe, I can not completely subscribe to your way of thinking, however if you continue with this line of thought, we will be forced to bring Democracy to your country. :)

Frankowitz 2007-08-09 09:06

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(...) Er, just joking of couse! :o

;)


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