Anyone else feel ripped off
 

I am just so upset that you buy a device that has Linux on it and get that device to find out it is just like Windows. Cant customize it unless you hack it and are limited on what is ported to the device. I mean I use linux and you can customize it all. You can choose all different types of win managers e.g. kde, gnome, fluxbox, etc.... I know you can get KDE on device but have not been successful. I guess I was expecting a fully customizable device and have not seen that.

Am I way out in left field? Should I research more?

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I think what you wanted was a linux umpc. ITT's are not that, sadly. And as far as not being able to customize it without hacking it? Huh? I feel like I'm missing something. How come customizing linux is customizing but customizing an ITT is hacking?

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Reading your post history it seems like you are pretty unhappy with your purchase. Read mine and you will see quite the opposite.
I had never used linux really before the IT and didn't understand it, now I feel really quite empowered as to my understanding of how the OS works all from learning with this tablet. Coming from someone who claims to know Linux I am surprised that you didn't know before purchasing that this was an ARM based device not x86. Even I knew that this wasn't a straightforward linux device and that it had more of a consumer focus.

So to answer your question I feel far from ripped off with this device. Maybe you should purchase an intel based UMPC and install a regular flavor of window manager?

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I have run openbox, WindowMaker, KDE, Afterstep, fluxbox (window managers) on the IT. Is it just push a buton and done, NO you have to compile it yourself, but you can install many applications. You can say that is hacking, but its actually just installing. For those linux users prior to RPM's and DEB's this should be very familiar process..

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I agree that my post history does not show I do not like the device but I do. Also I will admit that I did not see that it was arm based. I was more excited that it was a linux type OS.

Maybe I should have posted this thought. Should have kept it to myself. :)

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Nah, it's cool to voice your opinion. In the end, this type of device is not for everyone, and simply may not be what you're looking for. You may be out a few hundred bucks right now, but these things happen in life.

If you really find it annoying, I'm pretty sure you can sell it and try to find something that better suits your needs and desires.

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well after viewing your post there is nothing really wrong with the device. I mean I already knew that but I thought there would be a little more porting going on. I will just wait and use it for my mp3 and stuff. Thanks again

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There are a LOT of "cowboy" projects for the tablets-- the shortage is in large scale efforts (there are a few, and they will hopefully grow).

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You gotta admit though. An x86 ITT would be hot.

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You'll be able to find out how toasty one is in about 9 months... mid-2008 is the current estimate. ;)

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As in "damn this thing rocks!!" hot, or "holy cow I need a bigger tablet CPU fan" hot?

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I've been very happy with mine. I have a ThinkOutside bluetooth keyboard, a spare battery pack, and a bluetooth phone. I've used the N800 as my only computer for the past two months, and it's performed wonderfully. I download and watch videos, read and respond to e-mail, surf, and IM. At some point, I'll experiment with on-device software development and compiling. I might even port TeX at some point, in order to do document creation.

A faster processor /might/ be nice, as would speedier screen updates. The only thing that doesn't work for me is watching videos on Revver.com, because they end up too stuttery. Well, that and USB Host Mode, which works only if you wave a dead chicken over it and say the proper incantation. Other than that, it works wonderfully.

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Hmmm, for real... That would be a great upgrade, I might even buy another if we can get off the ARM....

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Maybe when ubuntu mobile comes out we will have more control over our tablets.

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More like "Blood 'n guts I need a new jacket, this one doesn't have enough pockets to stick my spare batteries in !" :-)

I don't think Intel is quite there yet with its mobile CPUs - apart from the ARM line, of course.

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... but that might cost you a LEG :-)
(and halve your battery life too)

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No doubt...but so was dependency hell a very familiar friend ;)

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What ARM line - Intel offloaded that over a year ago! They must have seen Marvel coming. :) The only low power devices coming from Intel in future will be x86 based... sometime next year for the first generation. Whether they will compete with ARM won't be known until they appear, but the new CPUs will be just the first iteration of many and Intel is now gunning for ARMs business.

ARM should get a grip and start disclosing some of their current NDA secrets such as Jazelle, and TI should provide details about their NDA coprocessors otherwise they'll soon discover the world has taken their business over to Intel. Nokia will look short of features in future because of all this NDA bullcrap which is preventing the development and delivery of features that will be immediately available on x86 (in most cases requiring just a recompilation...).

Intel will most likely have this business sewn up in a couple of years from now, yet all the while Nokia will continue to shoot itself in the foot citing internal bureaucracy as the reason for it's abject failure to deliver what the customers wanted.

Oops.. sorry for the rant... I should really stop reading Bugzilla and noticing yet again that worthwhile input from Nokia is conspicuous by it's absence.

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Exactly ^

... it doesn't have the horsepower to be a UMPC.

The tablets do have the HP and features though, to do quite a few things better than any other handheld device. :)

... so to you jrock2004; some part of the value of a thing is your ability to easily make it seem like your own?

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You arn't referring to the ITT's with 'our tablets' are you? Because Unbuntu Mobile won't be released for ARM.

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Well, 770 cost one ARM, and 800 cost other ARM, I am down to legs anyway?

:eek:

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I'm always on scratchbox compiling away new apps to install on my N800.
Must say the only drawback for me is the whole hildonizing that needs to be done to the applications after you find one that compiles and work.

I look past having to hildon the apps I compile, because I don't know how to go about doing it. Tried, but fail everytime I do.

waiting on ubuntu to drop the embedded OS.
Hopefully I can install it on MMC.

the device is a developers best friend, well close to being it.
As for regular users, if you spend some time on here, maemo.org, and the irc channel. You should have no problems, finding and installing descent hildonized applications.

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Ha! Merely a flesh wound.

Come back here and I'll bite your head off...

Gotta love the Search for the Holy Grail. Or is that the perfect IT?

But my .02, I am enjoying learning about Linux and how to best use this IT for me. Pretty much what I expected of Linux, but what do I know as just a n00b? As far as original poster, glad you can find some utility from your IT and this form. I thank you for not going ballistic on your rant. Venting doesn't hurt as long as you don't YELL or spew venom.

Be well... :eek:

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Let me post my opinion. I bought the 770 because i wanted a small device to surf the web and read my mails. ARM? Linux? Do i care? As long as it works.
One month later i bought the N800 for the camera (bad choice, camera does nothing, haven't used it ever, unfortunately) and for the raving reviews compared to the 770 (i guess that's all relative as well).
So i bought it to surf the web. Now i not only surf the web, but i make phonecalls, i use it as my PDA, i watch videos and listen to the FM and/or Internet radio stations (no MP3's for me), read my e-books and PDF's on the thing. Occasionally i use Maemo Mapper (still no TomTom replacement), i even start to understand something about Metasploit, nmap, DNS Tunneling.
Ans yes, i've met the Linux side of the IT as well, but do i really care? No!! I just found out that my IT can do a lot more than just surfing the web and i'm loving it.

I hope they will NEVER make this a Linux tablet. <hiding> I never got or will get used to work with Linux.

Just my experience.

Ton.

Edit: Ah, i would LOVE to see a step-by-step Compile your Linux sources for the N800 and Hildonize them for Dummies guide. I still have some wishes to be fullfilled.

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Ignoring the fact that there's going to be neither Ubuntu Mobile nor Ubuntu Embedded for the 770/N800, you expect to be able to cross-compile applications for such a small screen (no matter what the resolution) and have them usable without any further work? You're living in a dream world...

Now, much of the basic Hildonisation could be done at the Gtk+ level, rather than the application level; but this would require a *lot* more work to get it upstream or a redesign of the core of Hildon.

If anyone *does* fancy recompiling Gtk+ at any point, get in touch, I've got a few ideas for you (they may even get upstream)...

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Have you tried openbox? That makes it so you do not need to hildonize your app to run it, you can run both hildon and openbox, just switch back and forth. It would at least give you more functionality until you hildonize, might be a good way to test and see if you want to continue the effort to hildonize?