Samsung dominates smartphone shipments as Nokia crashes
 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...phones-q3-2012

I'd love to say that keeping Meego/Maemo alive would have avoided this, but to be honest I think things would have been looking even worse if they hadn't gone to WP7 (as much as I don't like Windows).

I think they made a wrong turning a long way back and missed the boat in creating an ecosystem/marketplace that would encourage developers. Not to mention making smartphones that normal consumers would enjoy using.

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No the numbers would have been better had they stood by Symbian ,making cool handsets like the 808, and supported Meego further.

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I gotta agree -- Nokia is only one of several companies that are finding out just how hard it is to create a decent iPhone clone. Rather than that, they should have been concentrating on iPhone alternatives instead; they might not have been able to steal people from Apple's market, but there are certainly folks out there who are not as interested in the phone-as-media-center concept...

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There's no chance things could be worse this is the absolute bottom for nokia

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They HAD invented the best iPhone clone ever: N9.
Think of it - add the proper support to it, and it is @ iPhone4 level.
Add DUAL CORE to that, and you stand a chance even againt iPhone5.

EDIT: but perhaps exactly this is why Nokia decided the other way (alongside with Meego being more of a pain in the back rather than a "reliable" - bear in mind this was in quotes - ecosystem): the fact that they needed to diversify from iPhone?

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One of the most amusing (pathetic) things about the downfall of Nokia is that after turning their backs on Symbian and MeeGo is that Microsoft then screwed them over by announcing that WP7.x would not have an upgrade path. Then somewhere I read a rumor that MS may release their own WP8 phones...not to mention the Surface..

slaapliedje

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Nah. The N9 is indeed beautiful, and has a fascinating user interface paradigm. But Apple has put a ridiculous amount of time and effort into designing and implementing the iPhone concept, far more than any other individual corporation has on their iPhone clones. So much so that even technophobes can use them without trouble.

The N9 does have the enormous advantage of the Nokia Internet Tablet inheritance -- the ability to be a cell phone while at the same time running a desktop-quality OS. But that means nothing if you're trying to capture a technophobe market...

What they should have done was to concentrate on their core capabilities. I suspect the majority of today's iPhone users would be just as happy using a Symbian phone; they're only using the iPhone because they've been marketed to believe that they need an iPhone. Moreover, the most technically savvy users are often quick to jump ship to other devices that catch their eye; I suspect that yet another true NIT device would have garnered a bigger marketshare than the N9, simply because it would have stood out from the rest of the iPhone clones more.

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*if* MS does not use Nokia to make that new phone, that is..

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Not only that, but ms said they would release their own phone on the day an interview with Elop had him saying he didn't know if ms would ever do that (or something). So he really didn't know it would seem.

MS got nokia maps and then did the old embrace,extend,extinquish.

Compare Elops turnaround strategy with Steve Jobs strategy in 1997. Steve Jobs was on a burning platform too.

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Well if the situation is the same, all we need is a HERO like Jobs, no?Tommi T. Ahonen back to Nokia NOW! ;)

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I believe MeeGo with sufficient backing and proper management in development could have done more good than harm, because even though iPhones and androids are leading the market, Nokia has had a very fond following... With its OS's - its unique identity, which it doesnt jave anymore since the Burning Platform

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IDC press release HERE

RIM pipped a few at the post, and they are growing market share (although only incrementally). The interesting point to note here is that Nokia were banging on about the next billion, and this was supposed to represent the growth potential in Asia and the sub continent, however RIM seem to have been doing a better job in these geographical regions than Nokia have.

Nokia truly threw out the baby with the bath water when they walked away from the Swipe UI on high end handsets. Asha is proof of it's scalability on lower end units, but won't stand a chance of flourishing against the cost value that low end android handsets represent in the same market segments.

The BB10 experience is the closest thing to the N9 paradigm that has a chance of moving away form the "standard" in the large scale market at the moment.
People who see and use the BB10 Dev handsets often comment on how many aspects of use and UI are similar to the N9.

As MS slowly rapes and pillages Nokia for it's IP and technology, I think Nokia will die a slow death, with the eventual release of a surface WP8 handset being the final nail in the coffin for them.
Given that Nokia released the 920 as the next big thing for WP handsets and then the very next week, MS was touting HTC as their "Premium" WP handset partner at their WP handset announcement, there is no other way to go.
One can only hope that the people behind the likes of Jolla will be on hand to pick up any Maemo/Meego and UX patents at the fire sale....

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http://www.cnet.com/8301-17918_1-575...ndows-phone-8/

read it and weep

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Well, there you go. How does it feel being raped in the *ss, mr Elop?

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Its just some "sharing the love" by M$...See this link


I agree M$ is screwing Nokia but that invite is a non-story as there are only 4 proper WP8 models launched and invites feature each one of them...

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Would it be considered as Sacrilege to say that I am liking the look of HTCs windows phone offering more than the Lumia?

I guess there might be some small part of me that resents the debacle of Elop and his over-lords have made with Windows Phone in Nokia and bastardising the N9 design. And for the fact that the have not really updated the design with the last 4 wp iterations and HTC have something new (more like the 820 IMO). But still, HTC have made a nicer looking phone in my eyes.

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True in some ways but the proof is in the pudding so till we touch it we may never know...IMO its:

920>8X>820

Although the n9 design being copied over is making things a bit stale...

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Intresting how obviously HTC is copying Nokia's n9 design too!

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Of course they are, HTC have not bought out an original handset design since their MDA series ;) Like thedead1440 said though, the N9 design is starting to look a little stale and this has been echoed before (in other threads).

HTC took the lumia design and gave it a make over and came up with a pretty device. For what little effort they made, they did alright.

That's still personal opinion :)

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htc copied the n9's design but isn't the 820 a more/less HTC type phone? My HD2 looks eerily similar to the 820...

Since Elop has come in its either the n9 type of nice design (which is stale now) or a cheapskate follow-the-market design...Nothing innovative in terms of design...

If you count that the n9 was unveiled in June 2011, that's 18 months since Nokia have come up with a new design...

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Can't rape the willing bro.

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Nokia ceased to exist when Elop put Espoo HQ on the market.

Nokia HQ is probably a broom cupboard in Redmond now.

If it wasn't for the fact that I'd have to agree to Google's privacy policy, which is really under scrutiny in Europe, I maybe would have had an Android device by now, (still hung on to the N900 though).

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You don't need to agree to their privacy policy, you don't need a Google account to use an Android phone. Just sayin'.

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Yes, all you need is a n9 ;)