Why Linux Sucks
 

It's off topic....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh-cnaJoGCw

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Because windows rules on the desktop market. :D

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I beg to differ.

Interesting video.

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Yes, a bit to long. But still pretty fun.

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Fairly old vid now, but he still raises some good points.

And... Bryan Landuke is a TMO member too. :)

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This was the point about MeeGo:
- Standardize the software (Linux kernel, rpm packaging, Qt gui)
- Penetrate the market (Mobile, Tablet, Desktop, plus others)
- Compile a Store (where legitimate software can be bought)
- Create the Incentive (where devs can jump ship or port, and attract mainstream users)

In 2012:
MeeGo is dead
Android has taken that spot
Android has very little to do with "Linux" (its mostly Dalvik this and that)
Linux in the same mess it was 4 years ago (actually worse, the competitions gotten much better)

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Yes, Linux sucks because it's not Windows.
It sucks because it's something I'm not used to.
It sucks because taskbar is on top.
It sucks because taskbar is on bottom.
It sucks because taskbar is not blue.
It sucks because I can't understand it.
It sucks because it's different.
It really sucks because it offers choice.
How could somebody even want that.
It sucks because I need to know how to read, learn and apply instead of just how to pick my nose.
It sucks because it can be whatever I want it to be.
It sucks because Linux users are annoying (and they suck).
It really sucks when **** breaks and I don't know how to fix it, so better solve the problem by bashing users and devs who obviously suck as much as Linux does, forgetting the fact that I could actually do something about it myself if I could be bothered to think.
OH AND IT'S FREE, IT CAN'T BE ANY GOOD!
You don't see free cars or free beer either, now do you?

Seriously speaking, Linux is doing fine, it's everywhere and newbies just keep on coming from every direction with ever growing rate. I love the way it sucks!

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No platform is ever perfect... I don't understand when constructive criticism with proposed solutions by those entrenched in the said platform attracts hate comparing said platform to competing platform's weaknesses instead...

Why does said platform's strength have to be only because competing platforms suck even more :rolleyes:

Why can't we understand the flaws in said platform and comment on that to overcome them and improve said platform even more instead...

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I really found many of his remarks to be not professional enough.

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May not be professional but at least it's true.

"Linux" may be a superior OS, but it's an inferior ecosystem.
Similar comparison between Maemo 5 (Linux), iOS (OSX), Android (Win8).

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All his rant about packaging differences was rather pointless.

Inferior ecosystem? LOL. It's one of the most dynamic ecosystems around. Open source is its ecosystem, with many commercial companies investing in the kernel development.

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History will write that Linux is the core that runs the Google OS (Android and any future versions and forks). As for the rest - it sucks :D (with a few but smallish exceptions)

A good OS is invisible. It is just there and does what it is supposed to do with minimal "configuration" from the user. For the end user Linux sucks in the same way Symbian sucks. Powerful and fun OS'es, but they ultimately fail the end user test.

Consequently, the moment Linux stop sucking, it will be dead.

Therefore - sucking is a good thing for Linux and any other open OS, and this is why Jolla will crash and burn. They effectively attack Android head on instead of making something that is worth while.

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Sorry, Android is really a dead end. It has success now, but it's not going to be the future of Linux. What Jolla is doing is a right thing. They shouldn't look at Android or whoever else. They just should do the right thing, and they are doing it.

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@Specc

For once I have to agree with you.

To compete against an incumbent near monopoly technology and succeed there has to be a disruptive element.

Openness to closed platforms, (source, standards and ecosystem etc) is disruptive and most likely to win in the long term.

for instance, these are winning

Android is more open than the iOS ecosystem
iOS was more flexible than Symbian in many areas
Open Document Format is more open than doc/docx/ooxml
and an example from history Windows for workgroups was more accessible than Netware and we all know which one won.

More of the same traditional staid closed thinking is not disruptive, merely competitive and this is unlikely to unseat the incumbents.

for instance, these are not winning

it is unlikely that Jolla will unseat Android as you say
WP8/appstore will not unseat Apple
iOS will gradually lose to Android

The key here is the more open (source, standards and today also ecosystem) a technology is the better for end users it is and the more disruptive to traditional manufacturer lock ins once it becomes widely accepted and therefore the more likely it is to compete and win.

for Jolla to win it has to completely embrace a fully open stack to be more than an Android wanna be, in the same way WP8 is an Apple wanna be.

Playing catchup is rarely the way to win.

Linux no longer sucks.

Ever since Valve announced formal support for their gaming platform with some seriously impressive results reported even from beta so far.

I realise this may only be posturing though due to Microsoft trying to close their app delivery ecosystem to copy Apple.

Microsoft will of course become mostly irrelevant as soon as they succeed in closing their shop.

Personally my last Windows PC at home remains solely for those rare occasions I play one of Valves games.

Everything else is either Linux or Mac but mostly Linux and has been for nearly a decade.

For me, an end user, Linux is near perfect, it has already won.

I don't suffer OS enforced marketing plugs, adverts or manufacturers artificial restrictions and do not need to become a feature of their revenue stream.

I can't lose with Linux, it is invisible and it just works.

rgds

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You obviously have no idea what you're talking about, have a moment and think it through again.

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I should say the same to you.
Linux is failing. The places its winning is in appliances/embedded, in servers (big footprint, my company uses them) and other "niche".

Linux is failing where the spotlight is: Mainstream.

Everybody knows about Windows, they know about Android, some know about iOS and OSX. They (public) don't really know of Linux's existence.

Yes, this is a good thing... but its also a bad thing.
It is perfectly possible to have Linux presence/dominance in the niche as well as the mainstream. Its because Linux is adaptable to many types of tasks, that's what we mean when we say "it is powerful".

And the point I made earlier is still true today, MeeGo was supposed to be backed by a dozen big corporations and was going to bring Linux into the mainstream by Penetrating it, Standardizing it, Bringing in AAA Developer Incentive and creating a convenient Store for all.

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AMD read that comment again and I bet you will want to delete your post as you have totally missed the point :rolleyes:

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Failing? Linux usage is constantly growing. What's failing is MS monopoly which is crumbling.

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Guys, sorry I can't help it but why is Harry Potter in that video?

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As the overall quality of any OS is clearly also determined by it's eco-system, how exactly would your statement work? How would Linux be superior but still be inferior at the same time?

In other words, how do you let it roll squarely?

I think the guy in the presentation made some valid points, nevertheless...

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An OS can run without the support of third-party software, hardware and content.

An OS is simply the software that runs on the hardware, which is fairy distinguishable from its ecosystem.

Had the case been about the Chromebook, you would have a valid point.

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This guy is the most narcissistic person I've seen in quite a while. He obviously loves to hear himself talk. He enjoys the laughter from the audience. What he talks about is not important. (I mean, seriously, in these 43 minutes, did he say anything that was new or important to hear?)

I can make such a presentation about anything on the planet, from Windows to burgers to heterosexuals to fish. Everything on earth has positive and negative sides. It's easy to take about any topic and talk about only the negative things. But what's the point?

Useless presentation.

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The "quality" of an OS is a subjective thing. Some people may find it important that and OS is as secure as possible. For others, software availability is king. Some find it important that it's pretty or easy to use. I myself am very ideological and go for freedom, anything that avoids any kind of hard or soft vendor lock-in.

So, saying that the quality of an OS is clearly also determinded by its eco-system as as wrong as the word "clearly" in this context suggests. I assume it's an important thing for you, otherwise you wouldn't have said so. But it's maybe not for others.

The GNU/Linux OS and its various distributions has found its niches and roles where its quality (quite obviously) is considered better than that of one of the alternatives. In the end, that's what's important: That those who need what Debian/Ubuntu/Fedora/... have to offer can use the respective distro and don't have to resort to Windows/OSX as the second best choice.

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Let me simply quote the wikipedia:

What I stated is that an OS and it's eco-system can hardly be seperated. Eco-system is not equivalent to "third-party software, hardware or content" as you, so eloquently just stated...

An OS is not "simply software that runs on hardware", it is software that runs on hardware to allow your other non-OS software to work with said hardware. It is a mediator.

"An operating system (OS) is a collection of software that manages computer hardware resources and provides common services for computer programs. The operating system is a vital component of the system software in a computer system. Application programs usually require an operating system to function."

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I take it that there are a few people here who don't follow the Linux Action Show?

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There's probably a reason for that. I tried to watch when they covered the N900 but couldn't bear it.

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Sorry but you are arguing semantics.
Referencing Wikipedia doesn't help you either.

I think the majority know what I mean when I discern the difference between the OS and the ecosystem.... Especially THIS community!

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I thought this was going to be another tiresome tosspot pretending he really needed Photoshop and Cubase, I actually got to 15 minutes before losing enthusiasm.

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The presenter nailed a lot of important things down, however at least in that session there were too little solutions offered.

All the critisisms were valid on the viewpoint of many users, sepecially for users who do not have developer background. For example the everchanging desktop UI's, for some people it may be a major turndown for the whole system. On the other hand, for people doing SW development for example, the major tool anyway is the xterm runnng bash or whatever shell necessary. Luckily that does not change so fast :)

I myself see this multiplicity of choices a bounty, one can choose whatever tools one likes from the UI up to any number of alternate ways of doing things. And if something is not to my liking, I can replace and change it until it is. To me that is natural, but I do understand that it might look difficult for people that do not understand the way operating systems are constructed.

So, it is true Linux sucks in a big way, and that is one of the reasons it is so beutiful. I would not have it any other way.

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In the case of Symbian hundreds of millions of people all around the world bought Symbian devices right up until the point it was deprecated. It certainly didn't fail the 'end user test'.

With regards to Linux did you see this piece by ZDNet Australia? Just before the release of Windows 7 they took out a laptop loaded with KDE4 and showed it to random members of the public telling them they were looking at Windows 7. Notice how they ooh and aah and say 'Wow, that's amazing!'?

The thing that really sucks about Linux is that most people don't know that Linux doesn't suck. In fact many don't even know what Linux is. They buy a PC and it comes preloaded with Windows, that's the way it is. My sister-in-law wouldn't even believe me that you could run a PC without Windows, she thought I was talking b0ll0cks when I said my laptop didn't have Windows on it.

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I'm not convinced by this argument. Microsoft products keep changing their UI radically all the time. When I first sat at Office 10, it took me a while to figure out how to print the document, that's how drastically the UI changed. Vista desktop was very different from XP... and the way Windows 8 is going, a complete disaster! Yet it somehow works for them, people are still buying their products.

For me the major disadvantage of Linux is the same as its major advantage. That is, that it is open source. Large companies selling software go through a rigorous QA process involving testing in all sorts of different environments, on different hardware configurations, coexistence with different other software, before they release it to general public. I know, I come from one such company. In the open source community, the QA has a lot to be desired. It works on my machine, therefore it must be good.

Another problem is the community's own attitude. Commercial OSes are made for dummies. They have a big sign on the door saying, "dummies welcome!" The sign on the Linux door, OTOH, says, "if you don't know how to recompile the kernel, you *****, then don't even bother!" This is completely unnecessary but unfortunately it is true and gives Linux the aura of an OS exclusively for geeks.

There are tendencies to avert this effect. Ubuntu has done a lot of good work in making Linux more attractive for the average Joe. However I think they approached it from a completely wrong angle. I do not need a new flashy desktop that would not even boot on my 5 years old laptop, with dialogs so large they do not fit on my screen. Instead, give me a decent PDF reader and a good video editor and I will be in the nirvana.

I love that, may I have your permission to add it to my quote file?

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@pichlo

You obviously havn't seen or heard of RHEL or SLES.

Both are fully supported enterprise grade Linux distros with the full backing and support of many enterprise commercial companies, far more so than most any other distros.

Both of these Linuxes are excellent, however if you want latest greatest then they also have community versions Fedora and OpenSuse that are both well supported, robust and lots of fun.

I have to agree with you though that the Windows 8 experience leaves a very fragmented memory and a bad taste in the mouth.

A combination of Microsoft trying to get its hooks into your identity and a desktop (or phone) clearly aimed at throwing adverts at you, a desktop that is nothing more than a marketing billboard.

Microsoft is no more than an Apple wanna be.

rgds

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Windows sucks and that's all
( speaking as a 10 years windows user and discovered the difference after i bought my N900 and installed Linux on my PC because of it :) )

./sifo

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I'm sure if google suddenly started using Linux as the core for an OS, for instance on a smartphone, they would streamline it and make an UX that everybody love. It wouldn't surprice me if that OS would literally rule the world in notime. I'm equally sure Linux fanboys would whine and cry because google had ruined everything "Linux" in the streamlining. Good google didn't do just that. :D

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MOST OF PEOPLES DNT USE LINUX IT DOESN'T MEAN LINUX SUCKS, ACTUALLY NO ONE KNOW THE VALUE OF LINUX. ITS A GOOD LUCK THAT ITS OPEN SOURCE. LINUX IS KING OF OPERATING SYSTEM'S CUZ IT CAN DO ANY CRAZY SHITS THAT NOW ONE CNT EVEN IMAGINE. SMALL EXAMPLE IS NOKIA N900

sorry for bad english

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Your English does suck

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