BlackBerry 10 Launch
 

BlackBerry 10 Launch Event on January 30 at 10:00am EST.

For anyone who is interested it starts in less than 3 h:

LiveStream
LiveBlog on engadget

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Have to admit, as an old school QNX fan, I'm insanely curious about this...

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LiveStream has started NOW :)

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Yeah, Is it the new iPhone with Qt?

Anyway love live streams. Looking forward to see what they are up to.

WTF, where is the device? Show it! SHOW IT NOW!

How can we remove him and bring the device and the platform?

RIM become Blackberry, but still no phone...BOOORING!

Houston we have a...COUNTDOWN.:D

Noooooooooooooooooo...

Devices looks really cheap. I'm out of here.

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I actually like those gestures (like the Blackberry Peek)

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I see quite a lot of Fremantle & Harmattan inspiration. :)

I guess this is where Nokia could have been without all that infighting & bad management decisions.

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Yeah any N9 user will feel right at home with BB10. Cannot wait for the firmware update today for dev alpha and eventually the fully-functional devices!

Now it is Jolla's turn to deliver...

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What SoC is it running? OMAP 4470 or S4?

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Update downloading. Let's see...

Dev Device is using OMAP, and probably it's the same hardware with the Z10 in a different case. See the position of the LED, camera hole on the back cover (size + position), plastics/aluminum around the screen.

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Well I like the (virtual) keyboard features, the camera app, the buildin editors and some other nice features.

These are some great features which I am missing on my N9... MeeGo (N9) could be soo perfect.. :rolleyes:

But BB10 is disappointing me that RIM has copied many gestures of our beloved N9 :D

I am hoping Jolla will satisfy myself of Sailfish OS. :cool:

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Every tech site has it listed as a Krait CPU hence the question. And is it a 4470 or 4460 inside the dev device?

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Where can we see the hardware specs? They said nothing on that (resolution, ram, etc, etc).

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engadget says that Z10 runs an 1,5 GHz dual-core Snapdragon S4 Plus :)

EDIT:
http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/30/b...-z10-official/

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Could have been

Why disappoint? It is awesome that someone has taken the best thing Elop managed to destroy. I hope someone picks up Freemantle on a tablet. Honeycomb was a laggy joke.

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http://devblog.blackberry.com/2012/1...pha-a-b-specs/

4470 for the latest, 4460 the older one

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It doesn't make sense for them to change the SoC from the dev device unless they had some issues with TI. If they did change, why not go for a quad then.

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Dual 1.5GHz A9 with a SGX544, nice choice.

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what actually is new and exiting about this os? in my opinion its a symbian meego harmattan and ios all mixed up together.

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It doesn't look half as intuitive as my n9, some nice features, but navigating the OS, notifications, multitasking all look like a huge downgrade

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App store is full of crap apps says Engadget Review...........

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If it's like the appworld in the playbook then I'll have to agree, so many useless and half-baked apps, not to mention the 1:1 android ports that don't exactly work like they should.

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The verge says and kinda shows the same thing, looks like it needs meego apps like Cutetube, GnewsReader, etc...

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As stated in my first post I was not particularly impressed, except for the awesome countdown. But when I was out running I thought of this private/corporate duel funktion.

1. Is that included as a free service?
2. Do blackberry provide a backend for corporation or can corporation implement their own DMS?
3.on what level are the private/corporate sliced? Is it user/password. Device Id ip or som kind of VPN? What?
4. How can we know that our companies/blackberry don't have a backdoor between the two?
5. Who owns the data on the device? When both corporate and private are available?

Not sure if you guys know everything but you might have some knowledge?

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Z10 looks nice, but not sure BB10 is enough of a step from N9.

Plus I have lots of questions about this new platform. I imagine these will only be answered once someone has a device to play with, they aren't the type of things the reviewers seem interested in.

1) Does BB10 support multiple Exchange accounts via EAS
2) Does BB10 Balance need BES, or can it simply be enabled by the user and then they connect work to one Exchange via EAS and home to Gmail or whatever...
3) What is Google support like? CalDAV/CardDAV/IMAP?
4) Can multiple Calendars be synced?
5) Can multiple Contact service be synced (Exchange/CardDAV?)
6) IF exchange policy requests PIN, does BB10 prompt for PIN on wake up, or on switch to Work profile?
7) Other questions I haven't thought of yet!

PS. And it appears now that even MS are going to support CalDAV/CardDAV. And Google extend EAS support until July (that might be good for us Harmatten users too :) )

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matt miller from cnet @palmsolo is tweeting from his Z10, so if you have questions its a good place to get an answer right now

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BB10 looks nice and i believe if you want the best ecosystem on the Harmattan, Ubuntu and Sailfish pile. It's BB10.
Never really understood BB and the UI to me feels like it's trying to get around some of the natural N9 gestures.

But then i'm looking for a secondary toy phones featuring these OS's so my reasons to buy different phones are so illogical as it can be. :D

Regarding question 5.:

I saw in an interview with a BB executive that the BB10 devices could be set up such that the company would have the power to remote wipe the corporate side, but not the personal side, so I'd say the Company owns the Company's data.

Regarding question 4.:

I'd suppose you'd have to trust them or test it.

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Bah, no blackberry hub after the dev alpha update... Disappointed.

Edit: it seems there's another update...

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Looks way more complicated than Harmattan tbh (both BB10 & Sailfish)

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BB makes complete our Meego OS left in misery!

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Latest update does have hub and calls/sms. The UI feels overdesigned though

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It leaves me with the same "taste" as Sailfish did.

---> They are trying too much <---

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Yes I think so too, but on the other hand BB10 is designed to handle more complex use cases than Harmattan... e.g. the Contact integrates nicely with various services (more like M$ People Hub than Harmattan's half-*** attempt). Notification is also more flexible, though I do miss the at-a-glance weather information.

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All the reviews have complained about the Notifications that you don't really know who has sent you a notification or what the notification is about. One has to go to the Hub and hope you don't have your previous page there but the main Hub to actually see the notification... That's a mess IMO...

Gesture-based navigation is always given positive feedback but just like some posters here, reviews feel the gestures are too complex and a mess actually...

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Yes, BB took a gamble on this Hub concept. It is prone to be overflown by design, but after using it for a while I think it is not as bad as reviewers said it to be.

Dev alpha firmware lacks many features so I don't know what the complete picture looks like. But for now, there are notifications icons on lockscreen as well as when I trigger "peeking". The icons has counters on them, just like Jolla, and they give me an idea of what I should look into in Hub and filtering is readily available. One thing reviewers failed to mention is, when you somehow get lost you can always trigger "peeking" again by pulling up, or you can click the tab on the left side and you can see which services has new events and how many unread items there are. It is a little complicated but again with this complexity you gets flexibility. Not that bad for me, but yes there are room for improvements.

BB has refined the gesture a lot. At the beginning when I got dev alpha I thought BB has no future because the gestures were well implemented. But now I like it as much as N9's swipe UI. Give it some time and you get used to it and just like Harmattan, it makes better sense once you get the hang of it.

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OS looks like meego ;)

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I don't know the gestures seem unintuitive. Why swipe from the bottom to peek to the hub which is on the left. And why not swipe the app outside of the screen to close it. Also the top swipe is completely undiscoverable and hides things, and is inconsistent (in app does different things than when at the home screen). Finally when swiping in app to the right it goes back like Sailfish. Why not get rid of the back button and toolbar then?

Edit: the app open animation is also like the old harmattan close animation. It changes to multitasking view then it zooms the app in. It gives you the visual hint where your app goes but it is not fluid. Feels like a glitch.

I think that the the BB10 UI on the Z10 looks and works just fine. The issues mentioned by reviewers were overblown, mostly stemming from lack of experience with the UI or simply straining for something to say.

Peek is easy, hub is easy, homescreen is easy, and app icons are easy. Everyone on this forum could master the Z10 in no time. There are small things that could be smoother or slightly redesigned, I agree. But on the whole, it is a nice phone. Maybe they will have BB10 QuickTweaks or something ;-).

Honestly, I felt that BB10 didn't take enough good ideas from the N9, as Harmattan still has many advantages over BB10. There should be a 'Close All' option in the multitasker. Downward swipe in app should close the app. The central view should be the Hub (like our notifcations page), because their target market will be more concerned with connectivity and information than they are with app distractions.

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Well, it looks interesting, though it may be not perfect. But i think this goes for Harmattan and all other systems at their day of launch too...

The main difference is, they most likely will put all their power into improving this system, which would be the exact opposite of what Nokia did with Harmattan.

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The most annoying gesture for me is the inconsistent swiping-down you mentioned. Some apps have their own setting menus, others just invokes the default one.

Otherwise, I can live with the other gestures.

I didn't realize swiping to the right goes back, which app does that?