Canonical announces their own graphics server - Mir
 

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MirSpec

It sounds worse and worse to me, seeming like Ubuntu plans to isolate itself completely from the rest of the Linux world (not unlike Android?). Why can't they use Wayland? Their explanation on the page is very vague.

In general it sounds like a horrible fragmentation attempt.

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Probably because everybody criticizes them and probably won't help them in any way.

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To help them to fragment Linux?

Think for example of graphics drivers and games developers. Now they work with X.org. Next big shift - Wayland. Their head already spins. Now Ubuntu blows things up with their Mir.

I already imagine games developers say - forget this mess, stick with Windows?? And driver developers even more. Nvidia will just shrug and say - forget it. And there will no Wayland driver...

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Go your own way if you believe in it! Make it or break it...

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From the Mir page:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MirSpec#Mir_...s_Driver_Stack

This sounds good (can share open drivers with Wayland).

This is a critical part, since it doesn't say that those drivers will be Wayland compatible.

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http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/03/c...-wayland-not-x
Great write-up here
https://plus.google.com/107555540696...ts/hzRy1rJaafc

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Good summary by Aaron Seigo, though he doesn't address the potential drivers fragmentation issue.

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Canonical is a cancer

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This one is even more interesting, I can't figure out how they plan to do that in a year:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...tem&px=MTMxNzg

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I really hope the drivers they are pressuring Nvidia and AMD about will be working with Wayland. At least some possible positive outcome from this.

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Or maybe they'll eventually make it a truly open initiative, one which longer-term will result in a merging (of sorts) between Mir + [Wayland(Weston)].
After all, they/others have benefited from (& contributed_to/refined) Sailfish's libhybris, one can dream... >.> :(

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yes u can.... Persdonally I am not a dreamer.... :/

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Everything about input sucks :D

That's what makes the issue here not MIR. Lol EGO bruised :rolleyes:

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I'm not sure you're qualified/involved enough to have such "conclusive" opinions.
Could such strong opinions be based simply on the fact that you like to "**** stir"?

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How technology decisions are made at Canonical:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-2...0/Sex_Dice.jpg

It's funny cause is true :p

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I'm not judge anything related to any technical issues here. Just the ridicules retelling of the event that occurred. I'm not judging the options on what is right for ubuntu or what is best. Just very childish chat. I'm sure the chat was more productive than... Would be nice to read what technical issues and other important arguments. That article describes the chat like if you and me should have discussed the issue :)


Chris Halse Rogers, the Canonical employee, was quick to joke around that "It's [Canonical's] turn to pull a systemd!"*

Kristian was quick to let the Canonical developer know he doesn't agree with Mir and that "the technical reasons on the Mir page just don't add up." In particular, "everything about input" that the Ubuntu developers say as shortcomings with Wayland. Kristian added, "don't go out and tell the whole world how wayland*is*broken*and has all X's input problems...that's what pisses me off...you can do*whatever*youwant*and you don't need my permission but don't piss on wayland in the process."*

Chris Halse Rogers saying Canonical was unsure if their contributions would be accepted into upstream Wayland, followed by the Canonical developer admitting, "I'm unfamiliar with wayland's input handling."*

Kristian ended up responding to Rogers saying that he doesn't think Canonical meant to "piss" on Wayland by saying, "so don't go and tell the world it's broken if you don't know what it is." Kristian additionally said, "I'll have fun explaining how that's not the case to everybody for the next few months."*

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Google+ session all about Wayland coming up, plus some Q&A's:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/events/c...7nl5eglddlju00

One Qn canvassed already is;
Relationship between Plasma's recent efforts & Nemo/Sailfish, & where that can be further refined/improved.

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What is the way to particiate in questions there. One needs to be a G+ user? I have Google mail/XMPP account as well as Youtube one, but not G+.

Where is the question about Sailfish there by the way? I couldn't find it.

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Daniel Stone (who worked at Collabora on OS200x/maemo/Meego devices) did a good presentation about 'The Real Story Behind Wayland and X' back in February. It might help provide some context whilst we're on the subject:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIctzAQOe44

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Yep, that's a good presentation.

Here without Youtube: http://mirror.linux.org.au/linux.con...land_and_X.ogv

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add to this the news that now Canonical is pushing into the tablet market and looking at how to manage DRM content.......

Seems like business always gets in the way of OSS.

I'm now doubting if libhybris would have been opened up for them to use like this if the end game for Canonical was just to further their own business model.... especially when others closer to us have opted for the DRM free choice.

then again, that's the fun of knowing that there's plenty of other linux flavours to enjoy...

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Yeah, that DRM part is in sharp contrast with Sailfish.

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Do you have any links to this DRM business that Canonical is looking at? I didn't find anything with a quick google search, and these DRM shenaginans are something that pisses me off and can have an influence on what platforms I'm interested in the future.

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It didn't bother them to adapt their drivers every time Microsoft changed the windows driver framework... OK, the numbers are different so they put up with it to sell loads of GPUs, but from a pure technical point of view, windows drivers change(d) more.

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http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...tem&px=MTMxOTc

This is only at the discussion stage clearly, however it is worth bearing in mind that Canonical already has a close (did i say data harvesting? - Stallman called it spyware) relationship with Amazon, and DRM will be an issue that needs resolving if they want to push that relationship further with regard to a tablet ecosystem supporting media and streaming...

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Am I the only one here who is on the paranoid side and tend to think they named it to be similar to MER just create that more confusion in Linux mobile landscape?

"This new platform has MIR!" "Sweet, does it run SailfishOS?" "Sure....I think so..."

When I had first heard the rumors that they were going to start using their own windowing system, I instantly thought, "wow, they think they have enough pull to completely split from everyone else and be like Android?" It, is like they want to be their own incompatible Linux stack... they are even talking about having their own SDK... http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...tem&px=MTMxOTg

slaapliedje

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I had such thought, but I doubt the name Mir will be even known by those who could be confused.

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Mir == Peace in russian, I think?

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Mir == space station

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Mir is "peace" and a sunken space station as well.

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Could also mean world...

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Ha ha! Wasn't Mir the space station that mostly fell apart in atmosphere and the toilet seat killed the girl from Dead Like Me and so she became the reaper known as Toilet Seat girl?

slaapliedje

P.S. If you haven't ever watched that series, I HIGHLY recommend it.

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Are you sure it was the toilet seat? Haven't seen it but it sounds highly unlikely.

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It was definitely part of the toilet seat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugWpj88EWt4

slaapliedje

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I don't get what the problem is couldn't mir be used on other distros.

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No, because there is no reason for other distros to switch into canonical nonsense.

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On a similar vibe: I don't get what the problem is for Ubuntu to use Wayland instead. ;)

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I would also prefer weeeeland. At the same time I love companies moving it's own way like ubuntu and jolla.