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kai_en 2013-03-14 03:53

Google Reader gets its plug pulled.
 
So Google decided to pull the plug on Google Reader on its second massive spring cleaning.

http://googleblog.blogspot.ca/2013/0...-cleaning.html

So how do you guys feel?

I'm devastated of course, it relied it heavily and it works ubiquitously on the web, no app, no what so ever, just works perfectly. They cited that it's being pulled because of decline usage, I beg differ of course, judging from reactions on the net thus far.

Probably it's going to be somehow integrated with Google+, my guess to promote Google+ further.

waldo 2013-03-14 04:19

Re: Google Reader gets its plug pulled.
 
the problem with google+ is that they don't have decent api's for it so you can't make apps.

soryuuha 2013-03-14 04:21

Re: Google Reader gets its plug pulled.
 
I feel devastated too. Been using greader g
for 4 years...now it will be gone.. :(

ajalkane 2013-03-14 07:09

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It sucks... I use it. Still using iGoogle, and that also will be gone.

Also blog post says they're shutting down CalDAV. So there's no standard way to access Google calendar soon? Looks like Google is gravitating away from standards to their own protocols, which is annoying in all possible ways.

kai_en 2013-03-14 07:31

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Yeah, CalDAV will only be assessable by whitelisted developers. What the hell?

Others are encouraged to use Google Calendar API. https://developers.google.com/google-apps/calendar/

What is Google Calendar API, how come something as simple as calendar can get so complicated with Google. Suddenly Outlook.com seemed more attractive than Google set of offerings.

thedead1440 2013-03-14 07:36

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kai_en,

Its now a choice between the admittedly evil M$ or purportedly "dont-be-evil" Google :D

kai_en 2013-03-14 07:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1328916)
kai_en,

Its now a choice between the admittedly evil M$ or purportedly "dont-be-evil" Google :D

One year ago, I told Tomi Ahonen that Microsoft is actually the lesser evil compared to Apple and Google. Google in particular is a sleeping evil

thedead1440 2013-03-14 07:41

Re: Google Reader gets its plug pulled.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kai_en (Post 1328918)
One year ago, I told Tomi Ahonen that Microsoft is actually the lesser evil compared to Apple and Google. Google in particular is a sleeping evil

Indeed many people would actually agree with that sentiment ;)

kai_en 2013-03-14 07:50

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All these recent "spring cleaning" by Google has a lot to do with the fact that Android is now the de facto smartphone platform of choice and command substantial amount of market share, Google is doing all it can to crush any potential competition including closing access to its multiple services (Do you know Google News API is also being pulled soon?) via once publicly available API or standard channel (like CalDav).

Android has shifted Google's emphasis to be "Google Everywhere" to "Google everywhere via Android", it's a fine line but it explained a lot of these recent behaviors.

Cue 2013-03-14 08:44

Re: Google Reader gets its plug pulled.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kai_en (Post 1328918)
One year ago, I told Tomi Ahonen that Microsoft is actually the lesser evil compared to Apple and Google. Google in particular is a sleeping evil

I beg to differ because I don't see the difference between the two. What exactly is the difference between Google using their own proprietary calendar protocol and not Caldav and Microsoft using their own proprietary calendar protocol and not Caldav? If anything Google is becoming more and more like MS day by day. If this is considered "evil" then I don't see how it is "more evil" than the person whose practices you are slowly leaning towards.

michaaa62 2013-03-14 09:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kai_en (Post 1328918)
One year ago, I told Tomi Ahonen that Microsoft is actually the lesser evil compared to Apple and Google. Google in particular is a sleeping evil

Only true, because MS is very late to offer 'services' now with Win8 and Win8-phone. They will pull even sooner or later, i am sure!

On further derailing the thread:
Did someone look into ownCloud recently?

kai_en 2013-03-14 09:03

Re: Google Reader gets its plug pulled.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cue (Post 1328926)
I beg to differ because I don't see the difference between the two. What exactly is the difference between Google using their own proprietary calendar protocol and not Caldav and Microsoft using their own proprietary calendar protocol and not Caldav? If anything Google is becoming more and more like MS day by day. If this is considered "evil" then I don't see how it is "more evil" than the person whose practices you are slowly leaning towards.

Because Microsoft never started out with CalDav or IMAP from day one. You know the deal when you signed up with Microsoft, using proprietary technology is not necessarily evil by my book. And they have been consistently using Exchange protocol all this while.

However Google is switching from open technologies to proprietary technology once they gained popularity, systematically bringing their consumers/users to that path is pure evil. Google made a bait and switch.

nokiabot 2013-03-14 09:12

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What are thease :o

benny1967 2013-03-14 11:05

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Wasn't it a perversion in the first place to add yet an additional hop plus a single point of failure to the we we consume RSS feeds? It's just not how RSS was supposed to work for end users. (Plus, it was a Google service, so people should have avoided it from the start.)

What's the big deal? Add your feeds to a feed reader the way other people do.

darodi 2013-03-14 11:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 1328946)
Wasn't it a perversion in the first place to add yet an additional hop plus a single point of failure to the we we consume RSS feeds? It's just not how RSS was supposed to work for end users. (Plus, it was a Google service, so people should have avoided it from the start.)

What's the big deal? Add your feeds to a feed reader the way other people do.

That single point (of failure) had an advantage. You could use multiple devices and have the same state on each one (a read article appears as read everywhere).

IMHO. This is what I miss on my N900 and my computer.
A feed reader, multi platform, with synchronization of read articles and off-line capabilities. Being able to access my feeds when using somebody else's computer (ie. web access) is only a plus.

If someone has a solution. I take it immediately.

Wallace 2013-03-14 13:49

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So is Web Feeds best futureproof reader for N9?

It supports NewsBlur but I guess Tiny RSS is promised but still missing?


http://store.ovi.com/content/261063

kai_en 2013-03-14 14:00

I am trying to set up the old reader, currently having issues importing subcription due to overwhelming server load.

hw9xx 2013-03-14 18:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kai_en (Post 1328886)
So Google decided to pull the plug on Google Reader on its second massive spring cleaning.

So how do you guys feel?

No feelings but confirmed knowledge that cloud and cloud-like services simply cannot be trusted in any way.

benny1967 2013-03-14 20:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by darodi (Post 1328951)
That single point (of failure) had an advantage. You could use multiple devices and have the same state on each one (a read article appears as read everywhere).

Well, at better had at least one advantage...

Still people need to understand that the point of the internet is to have a de-centralized infrastructure, and the only sane way to use it in the long run is to not rely on any central service for anything. (One day twitter and facebook will go out of business. I'm really looking forward to that day.)

People may have had one advantage with Google Reader... but now they're lost again. Is it worth it?

(I don't see much of this advantage anyway. I don't recall ever having set a feed entry to 'read'... what for? And not in my wildest drems would I want to have all those feeds from my desktop appear on my mobile. Different usage patterns, other focus of interest...)

Kozzi 2013-03-14 22:32

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There goes my daily feeds subscription to Kindle :(
I find RSS really useful eventhough nowadays most feeds have only small part of the actual article. It's useful enough for me to see whether it is worth reading the article at all after the headline. RSS is also handy for following web comics and manga, having to manually check each site for releases is just too tiring.

javiermon 2013-03-14 22:37

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Im more worried if on septembre calendar sync via caldav stops working

darodi 2013-03-15 00:54

Re: Google Reader gets its plug pulled.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 1329041)
Well, at better had at least one advantage...

Still people need to understand that the point of the internet is to have a de-centralized infrastructure, and the only sane way to use it in the long run is to not rely on any central service for anything.

Thinking about it... I had another advantage with google reader.
Feeds articles were collected even if my clients were off-line.

That is convenient, because I'm subscribed to some rss feeds that publish a lot of articles every day and only give the last 10 items for each request.

As I said before, my usage is to read the same feeds on multiple devices. I want to be able to continue reading only my unread articles when i switch from one device to the other.

I have found that feedly is cloning google reader api and allows you to migrate seamlessly
http://blog.feedly.com/2013/03/14/google-reader/
Quote:

Originally Posted by feedly
if you are a third party developer using the Google Reader API and would like to integrate with Normandy, please send an email to remi@feedly.com. We would love to keep the Google Reader ecosystem alive.

The second solution would be tinytiny rss
http://tt-rss.org/redmine/projects/tt-rss/wiki
+ the client for n9
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89058
and meecolay to run it on n900
I think rssowl can be used for desktops.

kai_en 2013-03-15 02:13

Re: Google Reader gets its plug pulled.
 
I had tried Feedly, Prismatic and The Old Reader since yesterday. I like none so far.

There is just something about Google Reader's layout that makes it manageable and doesn't take too much click to get to something. Closest thing is The Old Reader but it's still importing my subscription even now.

sjukfan 2013-03-15 03:28

Re: Google Reader gets its plug pulled.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by michaaa62 (Post 1328927)
On further derailing the thread:
Did someone look into ownCloud recently?

My plans for quite a while now has been to move away from google services, which works fine but you're never sure for how long they will be there. As you can read here there's already a feed reader in ownCloud. Not sure how it will handle compared to Google reader.

Sphinx780 2013-03-15 03:37

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I'm hoping old reader will be the goto once they handle the traffic issues. Guesstimats are they quintippled their userbase overnight. That'll slow down many.

On the n900 i used the iphone web address to manage reader on the go, so damn slick. It's easy to find a desktop replacement but an on the go solution that syncs...ugh. Will Diggs promised solution fly...who knows.

kai_en 2013-03-15 04:09

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Well, The Old Reader seemed to a mobile site, not too bad.

Cue 2013-03-15 10:23

Re: Google Reader gets its plug pulled.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kai_en (Post 1328928)
Because Microsoft never started out with CalDav or IMAP from day one. You know the deal when you signed up with Microsoft, using proprietary technology is not necessarily evil by my book. And they have been consistently using Exchange protocol all this while.

However Google is switching from open technologies to proprietary technology once they gained popularity, systematically bringing their consumers/users to that path is pure evil. Google made a bait and switch.

This talk of "lesser evil" is so trite. For one their users/consumers are usually grandfathered so they are unaffected. Also you say that as if MS never discontinued WebDAV support in Exchange 2010. I'm sure I don't need to tell you were embrace extend extinguish came from, to which you are alluding to.

Sphinx780 2013-03-15 12:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kai_en (Post 1329089)
Well, The Old Reader seemed to a mobile site, not too bad.

That was my thought too. Simple and effective.


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