[ELECTIONS] Board announces HFC elections
 

As newly appointed Chair of the Board, I hereby approve and announce the special election of the Hildon Foundation Council.

After much debate, a compromise position has been achieved within the HiFo Board of Directors to move forward in a way which we hope allows the community full choice in where we are going. This agreement is to hold an election of the Hildon Foundation Council (HFC), to run parallel with the Maemo Community Council (MCC) election, following the same election rules and criteria used for the MCC election.

The elected HFC can then form the proper election and membership criteria to be used for future elections of the Hildon Foundation, including elections of the Board of Directors. This would allow legally compliant Board elections shortly after the criteria is released, in a way similar to the "waterfall" vote happening with the referendum on MCC rules.

An important notice from the Chair:
As an explanation on why this is happening, I'd like to clarify by saying the following. Some of the current Board would prefer to see two bodies (two separate Council), while others feel this is not needed. To allow the community to make this choice, potential candidates may nominate themselves for either or both elections, and voters will be able to vote for the same or different candidates. The Board discussion on this topic, in the last Board meeting, can be listened to here, time-index 1:16:08.

Note that this is not an election for Hildon Board of Directors, and that an election for that body will happen some time after HFC sets the criteria for membership, nominations, and elections of that body.

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[Held for clarification summary if needed.]

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Excellent! Now, I think the voting is to hard. Why not just add a poll? Sure, there is a possibility of cheating but at the same the whole community will vote, not a select few.

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I'm unclear on how we get to one council. What does the community need to do if they want that? What happens if there are nominations for two seperate councils and subsequent votes? Why not a referendum? That would be more clear imo.

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Yes, but the two councils is for these elections only. It does not necessarily mean that Maemo Community Council is permanent or even that it will be included in the elections six months from these elections. Two items to note affecting the current situation:

The contract between Nokia and the Foundation providing for the transfer of the maemo community has been completed after many months of negotiation but it has not yet been executed.

The maemo.org domain has not yet been transferred from Nokia to the Foundation.

The Board suffered a setback with the overlapping resignations of two of three Directors, including Chair, leaving only one Director while two are required to sign the Nokia contract, but the new Board is now up and running and I believe will address these two items in short order.

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since I've learned I have to take each single word verbatim and evaluate it's true meaning carefully, when it comes to announcements from HiFo:

NO, there IS NO such thing as "transfer of maemo community" - you simply CANNOT transfer a community, at very least me (as part of such community) will refuse to get transferred anywhere. This IS maemo community, and it will STAY maemo community, focused on maemo OS (or whatever every single community member decides.will be her/his focus in the future)
The COMMUNITY is not owned by neither Nokia nor HiFo eventually, the community is BOSS of HiFo.


A quote from Hifo own website:
sidenote: I asked HiFo about 6 months ago to reword that page since there's also no such thing like community oversight. You can't oversee a community, all you can do is provide services and ideas to such community. Not rule, serve!

/j

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Due to all sorts of legalese we seem to be not able to get MCC accepted as HFC by BoD, thus we elect for a MCC and in parallel for a HFC.
We will ask all candidates to run for both entites, and your Council strongly suggests that you vote identical for both entities. Together with the referendum about MCC rules that starts in a few days, we hope to have met all preconditions after the election so HFC can declare own entity identical to current MCC entity, which will finally unify the 2 council entities into one.
For this to work, you (the community) need to vote "yes" on referendum, and vote identical on both MMC and HFC vote, so this results in same persons in those two entities. We are planning to provide a technical way to simplify the latter for you. However if either of both, referendum or in-sync votes for HFC/MMC, fails, we won't have a unified council and will have to live on with 3 entities: 2 councils plus BoD.
Now it's all up to you.

jOERG
(MCC member)

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[this here is the primary post, the one over at http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...9&postcount=24 is a copy of this one. Please answer here!)

I'm nominating/suggesting for (mcc/hfc, see http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...47&postcount=7) council:
*chemist
generalantilles
jaffa
*kerio
*me
mentalisttraceur
*merlin1991
*qwazix
*sixwheeledbeast
texrat
*thedead1440

I think * already has self-nominated, the others pending their accepting/rejecting to run

Please notice timetable at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89711 and particularly DEADLINE for nominations (resp the acceptance of those by nominees) which is
2013-04-23 23:59UTC:
Nomination Period for Board/Council Ends


cheers
jOERG

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Well, since I am not allowed to vote I can only say Good Luck!

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Why you're not allowed to vote? Please read the post with timetable *carefully*! And let's not discuss this in this thread please, it's not exactly relevant for the topic. If you have problems to vote, send a mail to council as suggested in above mentioned post.
/j

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On Sun 21 April 2013 22:32:12 robert bauer wrote:
> I'd like to see statements as well - especially for Hildon Foundation
> Council where there is an opportunity for hard reset of membership
> process/criteria and/or election criteria.
>
> Rob

Fair enough.
Since there been a "me" in my previous post, here's my statement regarding any
"hard reset":
I will try to find the best way to stay as close as possible to the classical traditional maemo
method of determining eligibility to vote and to run. Changes that
are not inevitable to cope with quirks in our infra or whatever have to get
discussed and approved as described in referendum procedure (also classical
traditional way).
In a concise statement: I'm sure community is the ultimate boss, I'm conservative regarding rules, and I think that the
ruleset that's been good for maemo community council since ages is also good for any new
entity related to maemo.

For Jaffa's request to do a bit of self advertisment: I just can promise that
my relation to the tasks in council won't change from what it is today, so if
you want to know what you will get by voting for me, see how I perform now and
if that's what you want.

cheers
jOERG

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Please note, to be official, all nominations/acceptances should be mailed to the community mailing list. Posting here or in the MCC election announcement thread is nice (as mail is sometimes slow), but the "official" channel is the mailing list.

I note you did that, but wanted to make it clear to those you nominated that they need to accept that way as well. :)
EDIT: Please do comment in-thread as well, since if you e-mail is held for "moderation" which some users seem to be getting, it may not be seen in the list.

This is true. In that regard I suggest (like Joerg_rw has) that any future MCC/HFC consider that if changes are needed there should be extensive community input on the topic. The last time these rules were changed/made there was an official vote of the community, which I think is a good practice overall.

This would not preclude putting the current method into writing as soon as HFC is in place however, as the ByLaws explicitly allow the MCC/HFC to tweak and change those rules for several months once they're in place before they become hard-set and need super majority approval to change. (Again an indicator that these rules were in place not to allow a random change, but to accommodate for the fact that when written we did not know how things would pan out over the next 6 months, and if servers would even be up at that time.)

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Anyone officially nominated yet?

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DocScrutinizer (joerg_rw)
merlin1991
kerio
khm

and (drumroll)

I accept the nomination/suggestion for the maemo community council & hildon foundation council.
Sent to mailing-list as well.

:)

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Good progress thus far....
Do we have a "relatively" even balance between old school Maemo & new school Maemo (i.e. Harmattan)?
Or is it some something like 90/10 Freemantle(or older)/Harmattan?

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My email to the mailing list:

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Exellent, seems like a solid crew. For a second I thought I had take over as King of TMO but with the names I can rule in the reall world instead.


Edit: @thedead.do you intend to keep your moderator rights if elected. Personally I don't want to see moderators in the HF or CC. Don't like when people are both jury, judge and executioner. What's your thought on that?

Btw I think you are an Exellent moderator and would be an excellent council+ier, just not both at the same time

Edit 2 : Same question to chemist.

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I'm not entirely sure we need some kind of balance between fremantle users and harmattan users; while the community council does indeed speak for the community, the HiFo business is strictly fremantle-only, so it's to be expected that we get more interest from the "old-school" side of the maemo community.

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I don't think that this has been spread around enough; will it be written somewhere, by the time the election comes?

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MT been asked to post an official council statement about it

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I hereby accept the nomination to run for MCC & HFC.

https://garage.maemo.org/users/chemist/
http://maemo.org/profile/view/chemist/
http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=24567

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I had brought this topic up at the beginning of the current Council's term :)

At that time I was told that moderators who are also members of Council/BoD won't be moderating threads related to Council/BoD during their term.

If required, I personally have no issues with giving up my moderator rights if elected to Council for the term I serve in Council :)

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common sense applies. You won't do both ever, executing person and judging person (in same case). And others won't allow you to have a vote when it comes to disussion about your actions. Never heard anything else, anywhere. Like in hide&seek game, you can't be both same time, but nobody will get excluded from either role.

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It would be a waste to lose a good moderator just because of some conflict of interests, imo; not moderating threads in the Community section is a good tradeoff.

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I'd guess you'll have a hard time to find users that are using a Harmattan device, were willing and entiteld to run for a position in a maemo entity, and yet never touched a Fremantle device. So the ballance you're asking for is probably not possible and neither it makes any sense.
We have always had sufficent interest of a sufficient number of body members in new OS. Unlike some of the comments here suggest, council members usually also don't see a "us vs them" situation between different versions of maemo OS. I for one have a N9 and a N950, but i'm not as active in Harmattan as I am and always been in Fremantle, but does that invalidate me for council?
[edit] a bottom line for clarity: council is supposed to care about all maemo versions. Council is the proxy of the maemo community. There's only one maemo community. (and for those still curious: it seems at least 3 of the candidates own a Harmattan device, last time I counted it)

/j

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I am honoured to be nominated for the Maemo Community Council and Hildon Foundation Council and I accept the nomination.

The reason that I do accept despite that I have recently said otherwise is because I feel that a vote with many candidates is needed to provide legitimacy to the elected council to take the actions required.

My goal for the next term is to minimize the needless bureaucracy that has made our life difficult the last few months and part of this effort is the combination of the two bodies MCC/HFC into one, as I firmly believe there is no need for two different councils. I will appreciate if you show everybody that this is the community's will by voting identically for both bodies.

Lastly I'd like to point out clearly that I don't believe there is an old school maemo camp nor a harmattan camp here, and I have tried to prove this by sharing my development efforts almost equally to both platforms. There are fremantle users and harmattan users and I am proudly both.

More than anything, I believe I speak on behalf of every candidate, WE WANT YOU TO VOTE regardless of who you're voting for.

Cheers,

Michael

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Good to see that we are moving forward. I hope that all candidates will agree for runing in the election and after that we will have a long living community :)

Thanks to all the people involved in straighting things out. The future is starting to look promissing.

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That's not what I was saying....
I'd expect those most qualified who primarily (but not exclusively) use Harmattan, to have (at the very least) dabbled with Freemantle, & vice-versa.
I know that from my own personal experience, & I know it to be true for many other users...

Of course not! :)

This is all "fine & dandy" in theory, but the reality is that people have their favourites*, & they'll generally treat their favourites, well, favourably.
It's basic human nature, we've all seen it time & time again...

I think it's prudent to ensure that we have a fairly even balance (it needn't be strictly 50/50) of nominees that;
(1) use/contribute_to mostly Fremantle & forebears
(2) use/contribute_to mostly Harmattan
Ofc, it's possible there'll be some suitable nominees that use both more-or-less equally, so they wouldn't count towards either camp.

It's nothing to do with "us vs them", it's simply ensuring the entire community's represented in such a way that it avoids potential pitfalls in the future.
Of course, it's possible that there simply isn't enough suitable nominees from one of the camps...
In which case, perhaps an attempt to more widely reach out to the entire community (once more) via a mail-out & TMO PM could be done?
If that fails to inject more of a balance, well we're stuck with the nominees we have, & so we put our faith in that grouping, which I'm sure will be fine.

*usually, but not always

While this may be true, for now, that is most certainly not the longer-term aim/mandate of HiFo.
At least that's not what was intended in it's formative stages, which are still -somewhat- ongoing.
Harmattan & progenitors of Fremantle were to be part HiFo's considerations just as much as Fremantle.

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jalyst, we will benefit from more candidates either way. So if you have someone in mind pester him via mail, pm, pigeon, message-in-bottle and smoke signals, you have about 15h to force him to accept :)

btw, why don't you run?

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What I have seen is the people who have both Fremantle and Harmattan devices mosly prefer the N900 and I really canot blame them for it :)

However I am content that they do represent the community fairly enough.

The people (like me) who have only ever used Harmattan devices are still green novices in Maemo community and propably should not be nominated for positions of responsibility, not for some years to come IMHO.

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Yes, but the idea is to leverage the maemo infra in order to send out a much larger smoke signal :)
That's assuming the balance of nominees -as its stands- it too skewed one way or the other.

I doubt very much I have the right skill-set, & even if I did I doubt I'd be terribly effectual, as I just wouldn't put enough time into it.
Plus I wouldn't ever nominate, unless I was "absolutely sure" I could be effectual...

Glad to hear you say that, personally, I think that's the most righteous thing to do...
But as someone suggested & as a compromise, perhaps only remove mod rights to the community sub-forum (I dont know how well that would work in practice, I have my doubts)
Even better than that, would be to find someone else to step into your moderator role.
You've got heaps of time between now & when the results are in to do that, & it wouldn't matter if that search was still going whist you are in Council, so long as it didn't drag on.

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So it's possible to be admin/mod an be in hildon and council at the same time? If so I will withdraw all my votes which is exactly one since it's against what I believe in. :)

May the votes be with you and let the best man win.

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I don't think we can mass pm on tmo, and even if we could I don't think waking up the thousands of inactive members here would benefit the community in any way. We've already been accused for spamming by sending out ballots. Elections have agood visibility on tmo, community ML and irc so the only thing left is personal pestering of possible candidates.

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Maybe a small banner on homepage would be good? If there are 2 maybe 3 can fit also?

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Yeah, perhaps only send the notice via the same mechanism used to send the ballots (which incidentally I never got).
But I'm talking only in the instance where the balance is quite heavily skewed one way or the other...

I don't think we should have a "hard & fast" rule that if you're mod or super mod you can't participate, but I do think we should strive to have most such mods hand over their privileges for the term of their office*. Unless said privileges would be genuinely needed by those in office to carry out their duties "effectively". I think there should always be at least one or two top-tier mods who keep their status regardless of whether they're serving or not, just as a insurance mechanism against any new mods who end-up causing mayhem rather than harmony.

*Will that mean they get those privileges back again once done, & those that took their place also keep theirs?
Not sure. I guess having more & more mods over time can't be a BAD thing, can it?

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If thedead1440 gets elected he should be able to keep moderator rights as well. There is no one more reasonable or fair or supportive of the maemo community than he is from what I have seen.

This is all from my personal experience and business dealings with him.

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What you may or may not think of an individual's character is not the point here...
Anyway, yet to hear from Woody et al to confirm whether it is in fact more practical to keep such rights while in office, that may be the case.
Or as already suggested, the other option is some kind of watered down privileges i.e. no rights for Community sub (although not sure how well that'd work in practice).

So feedback to some of my earlier posts? (not so much the ones about mod privileges) It's been at least 13hrs now IIRC.

Night.

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Agreed and supported.
(as long as he stays away from moderating *any* council or "political" thread)

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I know for a fact he won't.

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tmo gets handled by tmo maintainer (incl appointing mods and all)
If a tmo mod doesn't behave you complain at tmo maintainer. If tmo maintainer doesn't behave, you complain at council. If any of the involved persons has a seat in council, then that person won't participate in that particular case getting discussed in council. Simple as that. Please stop constructing problems from nothing.

Can we discuss candidates now, and start asking them questions so they can answer and the electorate (you) can make up their mind whom to vote for?

cheers
jOERG