DNA/Jolla Hangout Live, in Finnish
 

It's going on right now, in Finnish:
https://plus.google.com/+dna_fi/posts/2A9iJAK8bdi

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Cool progress:)
what about other carriers?

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Ouch, no mention of TMO, just fb and jolla.com

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Please collect some key ideas from there if you can for non Finnish speakers.

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And you wonder why??? A forum full of whiners and top of that some trolls?

And also a place where most of their supporters actively hangout. It doesn't sound really promising if they didn't mention TMO because of whiners and trollers. Not all disagreement is a bad thing, people can have opinion too and calling them whining is just wrong.

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To be honest, this isn't really the place where example most of the developer talk happens anymore and in general this is mixed bunch of N900, N9, Android users.
They could have mentioned matkapuhelinfoorumi while at it. It's active with Jolla talk as well...

Can't see the problem.

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So you're not a troll; that makes you a whiner? ;)

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At least now we know Jolla browser is using gecko engine.

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wondering if it can support mozilla/firefoxos's webapps ?

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What about flash?

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IIRC opera was one of their partners ( first sailfish demo ) . I thought they will make the browser .

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Really? So they are using the IPClite? That would be great.

Can you please translate exactly what they said about Gecko?

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I don't think you'll ever see one. Adobe is killing Flash for mobile.

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Jolla indeed are using IPC embedlite for their browser. Really nice!

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shmerl, where did you get your confirmation from?

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Morpog: From the creator of Embedlite :)

Re: DNA/Jolla Hangout Live, in Finnish
 

ok, so same source as I got :)

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Mobile Flash is "dead".

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opinion != whiners but as always when critisising TMO behave over all, people must start defend whiners and trolls as something good :(

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i still don't get why then you are still here if it's such a bad place to be? And not only you here, you keep telling everyone who doesn't share your idea is troll, which is kinda trolling, and i wouldn't say that you whining about whining too much.

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Few points they make:

- Jolla is actively listening to the community feedback. Ideas they get from the community are going directly to the product designers and are influencing the development of "the other half(s)"

- To critism about (overly) thick top and bottom bezel of the prototype they reply they will do all they can to remedy this.

- Qt5 works on Sailfish.

- Browser is developed in-house and uses Gecko engine.

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some people need to feel important ;)

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oper's move to webkit may have impacted this

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Potentially it can support mobile Firefox addons (JetPack API based ones), but currently Embedlite doesn't support them out of the box. Not sure about Firefox OS applications, but if that would be possible - it'll be great, since it essentially will be the HTML5 runtime of Sailfish.

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Jolla should pay more attention to whatever happens at XDA-Developers.com - it has 10000 times the traffic and the eyeballs of TMO. That this community has never been able to set up an N900 or N9 forum there is a shame, because for all intents and purposes, that's where every mobile hacker shares it's work. This ghetto is very cozy but nobody knows we exist.

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XDA-developers while big, mostly focuses on Android. Sailfish section there is filled with noob questions like of "can I run Sailfish on my device X" (which most often has no glibc drivers available).

I think Jolla should set up their own community forum. They are reluctant to do so however, and say instead: "let community do it". Community tried (there was opentablets.org) but didn't attract much interest. TMO remains the only forum that has interested crowd which includes developers.

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Tmo is now a mixture of noobs ultra noobs junkies serious end users devlopers protentialy good organisers etc lol

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I know it dead. But it still widely used so it's a reason not to upgrade if most web urls using flash.

Most android on the markets handles flash very well and n9 handles is but not as good but still working with FF. The web experience without video support in browser is not yet up to participate without flash.

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The question is: where are they listening? Where should I go to give feedback? To Twitter? To their Facebook site?

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Try Identi.ca: https://identi.ca/jolla
Not sure about twitter and facebook, I'm not using them.

Re: DNA/Jolla Hangout Live, in Finnish
 

From http://www.jolla.com/care/ page:
(where 'contact us' is a mailto info@jolla.com)