W-T-F.. Elop wins an award
 

WHAT-THE-F#CK.

Elop wins the European communication award (in part) for his burning platforms memo. The world is truly messed up :/
http://wmpoweruser.com/nokia-ceo-ste...on-award-2013/

Re: W-T-F.. Elop wins an award
 

Well, I can see why WMPoweruser might approve.

But do the EACD, who gave the award, really believe that Elop "always puts his employees and customers opinions first"?

Re: W-T-F.. Elop wins an award
 

something fishy is going on there....

Re: W-T-F.. Elop wins an award
 

What the hell? No way

Re: W-T-F.. Elop wins an award
 

European Communication Award 2013 powered by Nokia :D

Re: W-T-F.. Elop wins an award
 

Wow the comments there are all pretty much wp fanboy'ism!

Re: W-T-F.. Elop wins an award
 

Google is from the 90s
BB is what jolla wishes it had lol

Re: W-T-F.. Elop wins an award
 

1997 to be exact for Google. 1999 for BlackBerry but RIM was founded in 1984.

Jolla, they've yet to ship their first product, they were founded in 2011. But I'd be lying if I got your point.

This is probably the 8239340493272229459th time Lamiaman saying the same bullsheeeets.

Re: W-T-F.. Elop wins an award
 

It is possible the crash was coming with or without Elop. It would be difficult for one person to 'destroy' the company so thoroughly.
I cannot say anything about N9-Harmattan being worse or better than N900-Fremantle. However, I can point out that N9's interface (Swype) was praised to the extent of being copied by BlackBerry (another 'sinking' company).
I agree that Windows Phone is better choice than Android. Not because Microsoft is better than Google, but because Android is already ubiquitous, and Windows Phone is 'exotic'. In other words, supporting Windows Phone allowed Nokia to stand out, which would have been impossible with Android.
However, they were not the only choices available. Tizen, Firefox OS, MeeGo... Nokia simply decided that it needs another company to shoulder the burden of software development and blame for its shortcomings. Do you notice how some people say that Lumia's hardware is excellent, and the faults are in software?
At the same time, Nokia City Lens and Nokia Drive are envy of other platforms. And cinemagraphs are notable. For me, they are eye-candy, unnecessary but respectable for the amount of work needed to make this 'A.I.' suit tastes of majority of the users.
I wouldn't say Jolla members are incompetent. I would say that their vision was so different from expectations of Nokia's managers that they hadn't done much for Nokia. However, after separation they were able to choose their direction themselves. And it seems that the more time they see ahead of themselves due to hardware manufacturers doubting Jolla, the more ideas they solidify into workable concepts.
Yes, it is possible that BlackBerry waited for too long, and introduced nothing new in their latest operating system. It's like browsers: they copy each other, in user interface and functionality, rarely daring to innovate for fear of scaring away their users.
However, I wouldn't say that MeeGo or Maemo are dead. Nemo is young, like a nova, and vague and unshaped like a nebula; there is much potential in it, in Mer in general.
Yet, I can understand how an outsider (first non-Finnish director of Nokia?) decided that in-house code isn't good enough for him. Not that I would ever use Windows Phone... I would rather try to install Mer on Lumia. But for that, I would need to get my hands on Lumia, first. And it can happen only accidentally, since I am not going to deliberately spend effort on getting hardware (even if it is considered good) without software.
Best wishes.

Re: W-T-F.. Elop wins an award
 

Agree with many points you make. I need something that works, and I have no problem with open concepts or giving people ability to tinker with their devices. Hey, I bought more n900s and N9s than many people combined on this forum. However, when you sell the device, or try to sell it to masses, the basics of it have to work. And they have to work without tweaks, mods, or tears. And they have to work equivalent to your competition, iphone and Android. And they have to be an improvement on your preexisting product (going from N900 to N9). I could not, in my conscience, release a device like N9 to the masses. If I was the software engineer on that project, I would commit suicide or quit, rather than have my name associated with such inferior and overall buggy product. And now, these same coders have formed Jolla. good luck to them. I hope the new freedom will give them appreciation for discipline and good coding. They dont have NOKIA name to hide behind. They will have to be their own men now. That said, there is nothing revolutionary in what they show. There is nothing novel that will make it stand above and beyond competition. Yes, there are few gimmicks of swiping and some nuances on closing windows.......but that is a fine refinement, not a leap like iphone made. Every product since iphone, is pretty much iphone copycat with variations on the theme. As a startup you need something that is way beyond what the big boys are making. I just dont see it. And the average Joe, doesnt care how open it is.

Re: W-T-F.. Elop wins an award
 

Some of you need repeating, since its so easy to rewrite history.

Lamiaman,
So you claim that sailfish is being copied from ios 7?
Ok i have to admit this is a newer bullsheeet than the ones before.
Look no one even cares about your opinions and i'm trying to show you the way out of this forum. Let me be your guide for this.
I may even help you go to wpcentral if you be a good sport. ;)

Re: W-T-F.. Elop wins an award
 

Fartyom,

Everyone is copying iPhone of 2007. Android began it, WP followed, N9 tried. That is the power of originality.

Re: W-T-F.. Elop wins an award
 

yes if making a touchscreen device is copying then yes. But who told you that iphone was unique? Birds?
btw you claim sailfish is being copied from ios 7 explain that. if not go to wpcentral.

Re: W-T-F.. Elop wins an award
 

Wow, now that was a well wrote argument. Tell you one thing, look at your avatar, think about it, do what it says!

Sorry to inform you but iOS is the one that "copies". The first smartphone device was in the early 2000's by Palm, and then Microsoft continued with the well known Windows Mobile. Apple didn't do anything new, but they offer quite good services and very good hardware (never owned an Iphone, but had some IPods - just the music ones not the one with internet and stuff, and they are awesome).

Stop changing the subject from the phones to OS and viceversa, you are making a fool out of yourself!

P.S. Leave this thread alone. Come here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90604

Re: W-T-F.. Elop wins an award
 

Elop wins an award because his achievement is... :D :(

http://i.imgur.com/ME8yqe6.jpg

Re: W-T-F.. Elop wins an award
 

Provide some concrete evidence please. Symbian sales were growing right up until Elop's 'burning platforms' memo. Where is the evidence NOKIA were facing this level of meltdown without Elop's intervention?


The most likely outcome of exclusively adopting an OS that's already a proven failure is failure, don't you agree?


I'd say that's the complete opposite of reality, Google allows manufacturer customisations, Microsoft does not. Other manufacturers had already made Windows Phones, the reason they weren't 'ubiquitous' was because the market had already spoken.

Whose Windows Phones 'stand out' to you?
http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/...jpg?1353575291

Re: W-T-F.. Elop wins an award
 

NOKIA Communicator, 1999.

Re: W-T-F.. Elop wins an award
 

Yes, I am sorry, I forgot to mention, first smartphone with touchscreen :). That was the point of arguing, that everybody copied Iphone for the design (meaning a uni-body touchscreen phone).

Most of the time time those customizations screwed up the whole Android experience. The only phones with true Android experience are the Nexus'es. The rest have somewhat of android, but uglier and slower just because those customizations. Windows provides the same clean experience on every device, experience that Android users gets only by rooting and flashing a custom Nexus port :). I had the Galaxy S, and the stock firmware is crap, why, because samsung stuck it's nose in it and added useless stuff just to call that phone A SAMSUNG not a Google Phone by Samsung.

Re: W-T-F.. Elop wins an award
 

Are you Tomi Ahonen?

Re: W-T-F.. Elop wins an award
 

Or is it the LG Prade of 2006?

Re: W-T-F.. Elop wins an award
 

I'm much better looking than Tomi Ahonen ;)

Re: W-T-F.. Elop wins an award
 

This is not a smartphone. This way I can even say that my old Viewty is a smartphone. Or LG Cookie, or even LG KS360. Those aren't smartphones.

The oldest smartphone I used is HTC Universal 64, Windows Mobile 5, and the best smartphone experience for those years.

Re: W-T-F.. Elop wins an award
 

The original iPhone of 2007 wasn't a smartphone, even now it's debatable.

Re: W-T-F.. Elop wins an award
 

It revolutionized phone industry. I still remember NOKIA executives scared sheeetless when it came out. Even they knew that everything will be touchscreen.....it revolutionized everything...everything now has conformed to iphone model, even packaging! I remember NOKIA changing to iphone packaging too!

Nope boys, there is a simple reason why iphone is numero UNO. And everyone is imitating. Including JOlla, including NOKIA....poor NOKI, they tried to turn Symbian into touchscreen...N8....perhaps even a bigger craaaap than N9....told us they cant code. NOKIA is just not a software company.

Re: W-T-F.. Elop wins an award
 

Fartyom, read again. I never mention iOS7.

Re: W-T-F.. Elop wins an award
 

You do know NOKIA were already making touchscreen devices don't you? A touchscreen wasn't some amazing revelation to them. Symbian had touch support baked in since it was called Epoch32 and run on Psion PDAs.

NOKIA's real problem was clunky old hardware, too low-powered and ugly to do their excellent software justice. It was only the remarkable efficiency of their software that enabled it to run on such modest hardware, slothful operating systems like iOS and Windows Phone certainly wouldn't have been able too.

Now NOKIA are doing much better hardware but they've partnered with a company with a world wide reputation for unstable, insecure software.

Re: W-T-F.. Elop wins an award
 

Sure they did. Touchscreen was nothing knew, nor did Apple invent anything fundamental. But they packaged everything so well, so smooth, so tied together and so user friendly. That IS innovation. Now tell me what did Harmattan package well? NOTHING. Buggy and frustrating experience. If Jolla gets 0.0000001% of the market, i.e., sell few hundred phones to few dreamy, ex-Maemo fanboys.......they will be lucky.

Re: W-T-F.. Elop wins an award
 

There's no doubt Apple made a very slick feature phone and marketed it very well, if you want to call that 'innovation' knock yourself out, no one can touch you for it.

Re: W-T-F.. Elop wins an award
 

This is not inovation, it's just a better product. The only thing that bothers me is the fact that they claim they invented the smartphone, they invented the tablet and so on, which is not true. But they make nice devices so we can jump over that.

Re: W-T-F.. Elop wins an award
 

Burning platform memo:
Besides, over the course of 2009–2010 (before Elop, right?), Motorola, Samsung, LG, and Sony Ericsson announced their withdrawal from Symbian in favour of alternative platforms including Google's Android, Microsoft's Windows Phone.
Sorry, I don't have any other information sources to dig into.
I don't know. Maybe, Elop didn't consider Microsoft a failure. Or maybe, he wants to decrease Android's and BlackBerry's market share before introducing a Nokia-made operating system. Either way, Nokia's image as good-hardware-maker remains, especially in sharp contrast with awful software on it. And when Jolla proves itself to be popular-successful enough, Nokia could easily release devices with Sailfish OS - if they wanted to, if Microsoft's software proved itself to be bad enough by then.

Android customised by a manufacturer isn't much different from 'pure' Android - except, 'pure' Android is considered faster, more consistent, more comfortable to use. Everybody has an Android, or a friend using Android. However, I have seen Windows Phone only inside a store - I don't know any person who uses Windows Phone. Windows Phone is a 'rarity', people can walk into store to take a look at Lumia just like they walk into a zoo to take a look at a three-eyed lizard.
Yes, their market share is low because people know how uncomfortable-to-use Microsoft's software is.
The large blue ones? Honestly, they are all thin fragile tablets-bricks with non-removable batteries.
Look up IS12T, the first waterproof Windows Phone and also the first to feature a 13.2 Megapixel camera.
Best wishes.

Re: W-T-F.. Elop wins an award
 

Lameiaman, i never said you mentioned it here.

Re: W-T-F.. Elop wins an award
 

After some time ago i re-read Elop's memo, it made almost perfect sense to me. Who still thinks it's pure bullcrap?

His assessments to Nokia's situation were spot-on.

Only the reaction that came to light afterwards (to go with WP) was what let the steamliner hit the iceberg.

Re: W-T-F.. Elop wins an award
 

First, first to burn. Thousands of Nokia employees, millions of Symbian, Maemo and MeeGo users.

This awards IMHO shows the decadence of Europe.

Re: W-T-F.. Elop wins an award
 

Me, I think it was utter bullcrap. It was a justification press release for the announcement that was to follow...

Yes, that one.

The former was inextricably linked to the latter, he had to be wildly melodramatic about NOKIA's current position in order to make a new strategy that had a very high likelihood of failure (i.e adopting Windows Phone) seem somehow better than the path they were already on.

You have to be extraordinarily gullible not to see through it. I knew he was a charlatan and what was about to happen the moment the 'burning platforms' memo was 'leaked'.

Don't forget we also had all the p155 and wind about Qt and 'the next billion' and MeeGo being part of the 'next disruption'. That was utter bullcrap too, he already knew he was going to shaft both on Microsoft's behalf, that just wasn't the appropriate moment to execute that particular part of his premeditated plan.

Everything he's said and done was to benefit Microsoft, even to the point of sabotaging the feature phone division. How could it make sense to kill Meltimi and leave the Ashas stranded on Series 40 / J2ME? Because Meltemi may well have proved superior to Windows Phone of course. Microsoft wouldn't like that.

He'd already surrendered NOKIA's smartphone division to Android and now he's doing the same for the feature phone division too.

Re: W-T-F.. Elop wins an award
 

Jukka Eklund should get an award for this Jolla marketing started last year:

https://twitter.com/jukkaeklund/stat...25945024425984

fight elop!