Musings (un)related to Neo900
 

Can someone explain the logo to me please. Why is the screaming phoenix going back into the fire? Shouldn't it be rising from the ashes? I don't want this project to crash and burn. Thanks in advance.

http://static.neo900.org/openphoenux.png

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Whoa, really? I guess I can see that, but at first glance it looks to me like it's dive bombing.

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

LOL, you evidently watched too many toons in TV. What you think was the head is actually the tail of the bird, with a few flames around it. It's an elegant jetlike bird going up, not a toon character going down.
Anyway thanks for bringing it up, I guess the artist (whoever it been) can change that logo so it's less tempting to toon fans to misinterprete it ;-)

/j

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

the curved side of the wings is where the bird's tail is. :cool:

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

I love the idea but i hate the choices of cases. The neo freerunner had an odd case so i didn't buy it. Now the Neo900 has a keyboard and i will not buy it because of that. Why not base it on a rectangular-ish case like iphone or simular. I bet it would make alot more people buy it.

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

I respect you opinion but you have plenty of choice like nexus & Co. I'm glade they went for a keyboard device. There are simply too few. Or none ;)

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

A truly open smartphone (with open source firmware for the gsm modem) does not exist of today that i know of. The ultimate phone would be a phone with the hardware of the Neo900 (with osmocom firmware) and a rectangular case. But that's just wishful thinking. I bet the next Neo phone will be spherical :)

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Please stay on topic! On a sidenote a phone with FOSS GSM stack is illegal to operate, everywhere except in anarchies where they won't have any network provider to use it in. Please stop spreading false claims here! A GSM stack needs certification and that has to be done even by the network operators. Operating a transmitter is basically illegal everywhere on the world without a licence to do so. I'd appreciate when you simply would delete your posts. They are incorreect and OT.

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

It's surely only illegal in the US :D The rest of the world would enjoy the open source/NSA free gsm stack. Sorry for the off-topic messages.

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Is it actually illegal to release the source code for a GSM stack?

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

theres no india :(

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Actually, no. Certification issues make the device without it (so for instance, with replaced firmware) illegal to operate on public networks in most countries on the world. Of course you can use it on your own network - for which you need a permission to run :P

Releasing the source code is not illegal, but see above.

Also, see https://trisquel.info/en/forum/true-...eo900-openmoko
I've wrote a bit about it there.

Hopefully that answers your questions. If not, I'll be happy to talk with you, but in some different topic please - don't make mess in this one.

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Please stay on topic! On a sidenote a phone with FOSS GSM stack is illegal to operate, everywhere except in anarchies where they won't have any network provider to use it in. Please stop spreading false claims here! A GSM stack needs certification and that has to be done even by the network operators. Operating a transmitter is basically illegal everywhere on the world without a licence to do so. I'd appreciate when you simply would delete your posts. They are incorreect and OT.

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

My ultimate phone has a hardware keyboard and i'm pretty sure people like me are the target group for this project since it obviously is an upgrade to the N900, which had a hardware keyboard.

Now, if only my monthly salary was not 350 euro :D

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Please stay on topic! On a sidenote a phone with FOSS GSM stack is illegal to operate, everywhere except in anarchies where they won't have any network provider to use it in. Please stop spreading false claims here! A GSM stack needs certification and that has to be done even by the network operators. Operating a transmitter is basically illegal everywhere on the world without a licence to do so. I'd appreciate when you simply would delete your posts. They are incorrect and OT.

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

Is this default answer Goldelico forces you to use whenever anyone asks about GSM stack? Screw the NSA-free part? I'll answer myself:

a phone with FOSS GSM stack is illegal to operate, everywhere except in anarchies where they won't have any network provider to use it in. Please stop spreading false claims here! A GSM stack needs certification and that has to be done even by the network operators. Operating a transmitter is basically illegal everywhere on the world without a licence to do so.

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

@mods
PLEASE NUKE THE LAST 20orso POSTS!
thanks!

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

btw the NSA doesn't need or want a spyware in the GSM firmware. As long as the modem works, it already does what the NSA needs, without any malware or patches. When somebody wants to spy on you, they need to make the phone pretend it's off while it isn't. For Neo900 this means they must place some spyware/malware on the linux system, not on the modem. The linux system is completely FOSS and under user's total absolute control. When the modem is off, then it's off, no malware inside modem could power it up on remote command. And particularly it could never start transmitting any data without the linux system noticing that. So it's up to user(land) to keep an eye on modem and holler when it acts strange.

On a sidenote: afaik all contemporary modem chipsets are tivoized. You can't run any firmware on them that's not signed by the owner of the private signature key, i.e. the chip manuf. Even the calypso had that option but TI didn't use it.
/j

Re: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900
 

which pretty fine shows what I failed to transport to your mind: STAY ON TOPIC is what you evidently missed to read and understand its meaning.

Re: Musings (un)related to Neo900
 

Its a burning broken NSA antenna telling the users its NSA free...

http://falkvinge.net/files/2013/07/P...61-646x363.jpg