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Gavin 2013-11-18 22:55

Can the Jolla phone be used in the united states
 
I know this is a stupid question but many phones such as the N9 and the N900 were unlocked and could easily be imported and used. Will that be the case with the Jolla device?

shmerl 2013-11-18 22:57

Re: Can the Jolla phone be used in the united states
 
Jolla didn't publish supported frequencies specs for the radio modem which will be shipped with their first production batch, so you'll have wait until that information will be available (I guess not until the actual release on November 27th).

So far, all they said was:

Quote:

GSM/3G/4G LTE* (Works on 6 continents).
* List of supported countries and operators will be published later.

Gavin 2013-11-18 22:59

Re: Can the Jolla phone be used in the united states
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1387365)
Jolla didn't publish supported frequencies specs for the radio modem which will be shipped with their first production batch, so you'll have wait until that information will be available.

So far, all they said was:

Honestly why didnt they just release that information....makes me miss the old nokia company.

shmerl 2013-11-18 22:59

Re: Can the Jolla phone be used in the united states
 
I don't know, I doubt that information will suddenly change now in such a short time. You can ask them this question.

gerbick 2013-11-18 23:06

Re: Can the Jolla phone be used in the united states
 
I'd be willing to bet yes, but 4G/LTE is questionable based on whomever you pick as your provider in the US.

But it might/should fallback to 3G in most cases. Just an educated guess, so please treat it as such.

Ken-Young 2013-11-19 00:19

Re: Can the Jolla phone be used in the united states
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1387365)
Jolla didn't publish supported frequencies specs for the radio modem which will be shipped with their first production batch, so you'll have wait until that information will be available (I guess not until the actual release on November 27th).

I think even Apple is less secretive about the specs of their upcoming products than Jolla is.

shmerl 2013-11-19 00:29

Re: Can the Jolla phone be used in the united states
 
There is no practical benefit in publishing these specs, while you can't even buy the device yet. Except may be letting potential users plan their future purchases in a better fashion. On the other hand I'm not sure how publishing them can hurt Jolla.

ed00 2013-11-19 02:45

Re: Can the Jolla phone be used in the united states
 
http://www.gsmarena.com/jolla_jolla-5457.php#

yet its not official i assume

gerbick 2013-11-19 03:19

Re: Can the Jolla phone be used in the united states
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ed00 (Post 1387388)
http://www.gsmarena.com/jolla_jolla-5457.php#

yet its not official i assume

I just can't trust GSMArena before it's released. Remember they stated that the N900 was going to have Java on their pre-release pages? Heck, I think it still said it until very recently...

Lumiaman 2013-11-19 03:36

Re: Can the Jolla phone be used in the united states
 
Hmmmmm....low scores and pathetic interest ...here is another bad news


http://gigaom.com/2013/11/15/remembe...ng-about-that/

dak_sriv 2013-11-19 05:14

Re: Can the Jolla phone be used in the united states
 
The website, gsm arena sates that it has NFC as well. Now, I might be mistaken, but Jolla officially never said anything about NFC... did they?

youmeego 2013-11-19 05:37

Re: Can the Jolla phone be used in the united states
 
never trust gsmarena

ed00 2013-11-19 07:13

Re: Can the Jolla phone be used in the united states
 
gerbick

agree with you not trusting gsmarena or any other place for that matter until official released from Jolla. Thats why i mentioned "not official" and there is Disclaimer @ gsmarena "We can not guarantee that the information on this page is 100% correct"

i guess this more trustworthy http://jolla.com/ (speaking of NFC) there is spec. ;)

Rauha 2013-11-19 07:21

Re: Can the Jolla phone be used in the united states
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1387383)
On the other hand I'm not sure how publishing them can hurt Jolla.

Now that the phones are already beign made it makes no difference. Before finalising the hardware, it made sense not to commit supporting any spesific frequency bands other than those used in EU.

dak_sriv 2013-11-19 07:38

Re: Can the Jolla phone be used in the united states
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by youmeego (Post 1387404)
never trust gsmarena

eh... It's my goto site for specs :o

tissot 2013-11-19 08:31

Re: Can the Jolla phone be used in the united states
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dak_sriv (Post 1387423)
eh... It's my goto site for specs :o

If the specs are not widely available, GSMArena guaranteed to get the specs wrong. It's actually pretty amazing how they always manage to do that.

Has Jolla confirmed that LTE will work in Finland at least?

DeeGee 2013-11-19 09:05

Re: Can the Jolla phone be used in the united states
 
They haven't confirmed any frequency support. But all 3 main LTE networks in finland work at 800 (planned, not active yet), 1800 and 2600 mhz. (There's also one test project at 700mhz). So support for those bands would be quite probable.

Rauha 2013-11-19 09:12

Re: Can the Jolla phone be used in the united states
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tissot (Post 1387433)

Has Jolla confirmed that LTE will work in Finland at least?

Nope, but they have confirmed LTE and launch in FInland.

So it should at least work on EU standard 1800Mhz and 2600 MHz bands. Big question is if it works on newer 800Mhz frequencies, which is what most of Finland (outside Helsinki, Turku, Tampere and few bigger towns) will be covered with. My guess would be that the cheap generic Chinese hardware platforms (ie Jolla) don't mostly support it yet.

Bubbless 2013-11-19 09:25

Re: Can the Jolla phone be used in the united states
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dak_sriv (Post 1387402)
The website, gsm arena sates that it has NFC as well. Now, I might be mistaken, but Jolla officially never said anything about NFC... did they?

Sorry, you are mistaken. Check Jolla.com ---> All specs -> Network & connectivity.

rainisto 2013-11-19 09:52

Re: Can the Jolla phone be used in the united states
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bubbless (Post 1387443)
Sorry, you are mistaken. Check Jolla.com ---> All specs -> Network & connectivity.

But please remember to read "Extension interfaces for"-part before you jump into wrong conclusions :)

Bubbless 2013-11-19 13:55

Re: Can the Jolla phone be used in the united states
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rainisto (Post 1387451)
But please remember to read "Extension interfaces for"-part before you jump into wrong conclusions :)

And what would these wrong conclusions be?

strongm 2013-11-19 13:56

Re: Can the Jolla phone be used in the united states
 
That having an extension interface for NFC is the same as having NFC

Bubbless 2013-11-19 14:03

Re: Can the Jolla phone be used in the united states
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by strongm (Post 1387502)
That having an extension interface for NFC is the same as having NFC

Ok. What TOH uses to connect to the actual phone then?

Kabouik 2013-11-20 14:40

Re: Can the Jolla phone be used in the united states
 
It is not clear to me what that means. Is NFC included in the main half (phone), or only in NFC-capable-OH connected through I²C? The latter sounds limiting, and I admit I always believed the main NFC part was in the phone (plus NFC chips in some OH for simple interactions, like automatic Ambiance).

Lumiaman 2013-11-20 16:42

Re: Can the Jolla phone be used in the united states
 
Jolla will self explode as soon as it crosses the US border. Jolla will not withstand pressure from other competitors.

Akkumaru 2013-11-21 02:10

Re: Can the Jolla phone be used in the united states
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kabouik (Post 1387702)
It is not clear to me what that means. Is NFC included in the main half (phone), or only in NFC-capable-OH connected through I²C? The latter sounds limiting, and I admit I always believed the main NFC part was in the phone (plus NFC chips in some OH for simple interactions, like automatic Ambiance).

I believe IT IS in the phone. If it's not it'd be crazy enough. Since TOH can connect through NFC to the phone. Anyway, kinda off topic :p

Sazpaimon 2013-11-28 02:36

Re: Can the Jolla phone be used in the united states
 
Now that the device is out, can anyone that has it confirm the bands it supports?

shmerl 2013-11-28 03:36

Re: Can the Jolla phone be used in the united states
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sazpaimon (Post 1389875)
Now that the device is out, can anyone that has it confirm the bands it supports?

Everyone is strangely silent on this :) I asked multiple times already.

Ken-Young 2013-11-28 04:55

Re: Can the Jolla phone be used in the united states
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1389878)
Everyone is strangely silent on this :) I asked multiple times already.

They've been Raptured into heaven, and we've been left behind.

youmeego 2013-11-28 05:10

Re: Can the Jolla phone be used in the united states
 
and does it work in australia and singapore

minimos 2013-11-28 06:25

Re: Can the Jolla phone be used in the united states
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1389878)
Everyone is strangely silent on this :) I asked multiple times already.

I guess everything must be working just fine, otherwise you'd see somebody bitching about it :D

shmerl 2013-11-28 06:44

Re: Can the Jolla phone be used in the united states
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by minimos (Post 1389898)
I guess everything must be working just fine, otherwise you'd see somebody bitching about it :D

Well, those of us outside of the initially supported regions want to know if devices will work with our mobile providers as well :) Since device is out, shouldn't Jolla publish the full specs on the modem somewhere?

biatch0 2013-11-28 09:17

Re: Can the Jolla phone be used in the united states
 
I agree... Would be nice to know if I'm getting an LTE device or 3G device :p

P@t 2013-11-28 09:45

Re: Can the Jolla phone be used in the united states
 
about bands
I read on IRC that 4G will come later as an upgrade (see that in the user guide only 3G is mentionned)
So maybe something is still unclear and they do not want to make any announcement yet?

Regarding 3G they could make a statement. But they basically mean that it works everywhere with 3G (but that is more my assumption).

shmerl 2013-11-28 10:13

Re: Can the Jolla phone be used in the united states
 
As an upgrade to the hardware? How exactly do you see this happening? Or it's a software limitation which can be fixed with an OS update?

User guide does mention 4G in the very end.

P@t 2013-11-28 10:50

Re: Can the Jolla phone be used in the united states
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1389980)
As an upgrade to the hardware? How exactly do you see this happening? Or it's a software limitation which can be fixed with an OS update?

User guide does mention 4G in the very end.

Not via an other half :) but I understood they need to enable it via a OS update

Sazpaimon 2013-11-28 16:58

Re: Can the Jolla phone be used in the united states
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by P@t (Post 1389957)
about bands
I read on IRC that 4G will come later as an upgrade (see that in the user guide only 3G is mentionned)
So maybe something is still unclear and they do not want to make any announcement yet?

Regarding 3G they could make a statement. But they basically mean that it works everywhere with 3G (but that is more my assumption).

Even if that were true, the 4G modem hardware only supports a certain number of frequencies, and that cannot be changed via software. So I'd really like to know what those frequencies are.

Regarding 3G, it's probably obvious that it's pentaband at this point, but I'd like to have some closure on this.

xanderx 2013-11-28 17:39

Re: Can the Jolla phone be used in the united states
 
No, jPhone cannot be used, not even imported into US. You know why? I tell you why. The moment it hits the US soil, Jolla will be sued by Apple for patent infringement in speaker placement. So, that's all, folks.

pycage 2013-11-28 21:19

Re: Can the Jolla phone be used in the united states
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sazpaimon (Post 1389875)
Now that the device is out, can anyone that has it confirm the bands it supports?

GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
UMTS: 900/2100 MHz

Now you can do your math about what will work in the US.
I don't find any info about LTE, though, and as I don't have an LTE contract, cannot test it either.

Lumiaman 2013-11-28 21:25

Re: Can the Jolla phone be used in the united states
 
LTE isn't functional on Jolla device, so that shouldn't figure into your calculation.


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