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We all had our expectations from jollas first device. And now it's alive and kicking. If your expectations were meet is up to you.

Either way it's time to look forward to jollas next device: jPhone ll

The mobile market moves in incredible speed and even if jolla isn't in the spec race they can't wait long before creating their next device.

So whats your thoughts/excpectations/requirement of jPhone ll?

Mine?

I would love to see a 5 inch screen and a hw keyboard but keyboard phones seems to be the blast of the past so it's just...forget it.

But 5 inch 1080 p screen. Top hw has moved to twice that when jolla are ready. I'm not sure I like this other half concept and hope they leave it behind. I also hope jolla trying to bring in some exclusive geeky feature to dif even more. Add to that 3 GB and an improved browser and I'm happy to pay top dollar. I hope you are too...

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its called the nexus 5

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i'd like to see threads similar to current one in Offtopic, not in general. Thanks :)

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+1. Actually, the only thing that attracted me here was seeing it updated "by coderus - 13 minutes ago" in the panel on the right. Otherwise, just seeing the title was enough to figure out that this is just another Dave's rant.

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It not created in general. I should have created in the Jolla the other half. But I agree. More categories would be needed. Either in subs or in off topic.

So you are not intressted about what Jolla can afford and manage to put together and Sell? I think it's intriguing.

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The higher end spec the better as far as I'm concerned. I found Ubuntu Edge quite interesting because of that.
Throw best possible hardware you are capable to get, while keeping the package as sleek as possible. I'm happy to pay 1000 euros for a phone like that.

Can anybody find the original news about next Jolla phone? Wasn't it supposed to be lower end than the current phone?

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Actually what *I* would like is a way to killfile a thread. Currently I can killfile only a member but that is not always appropriate. In my entire history of being on this forum I have done that only 4 times.

Not the least.

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Yeah but that was a while back. I think it was before their plans to use ST-Ericsson chipset crumbled with the fall of St-Ericsson and caused delay from summer to winter. Would not put too much weight on it anymore.

They could just as well release a higher specced phone 6-12 months from now and keep current phone in production with lower price point.

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Fair enough. But wouldn't it be better not to post in a thread you have no intresst in and go read something that suit you better?

Oh I haven't read or seen that. Hope they changed their minds. Would like to see it.

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If you keep calling our precious dinghy a "jayfone" I dont want one. [/flame]

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What I really like to see is AMOLED display. My personal opinion is that sceen size and resolution in current setup is enought but amoled is really something which I miss from N9.

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You can't be serious Dave. Please mods put this in some other category :D

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+2, do we all have enough experience about Jolla?

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lol @ expecting moderating on TMO.

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back to op; Higher screen ressoultion to show webpages full screen and focusing the whole Sailfish OS on a high(er) privacy - something that seems to be lacking at its current state. Especially with Android that close to the core system.

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If privacy is a concern then don't install Android. Problem solved.

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5.2inch screen
FHD AMOLED
Almost bezel-less
Front Stereo Loudspeakers
Top-Bottom Dual Microphones
Symmetrical design
64GB NAND + microSD
microUSB with 5V HOST
3,000mAh removable battery
New OtherHalf Implementation
Much updated/modern GUI
etc etc

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At the moment that also means having a feature with instead of a smartphone. Everything beyond basic basic browser, simple map app and camera functionality requires using Android stuff.


Since it is a thread started by Dave, I'll end with this picture that is higly relevant.

http://whyevolutionistrue.files.word...if?w=305&h=229

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Now that is a pretty narrow viewpoint, narrow & thin at least. Just define a smartphone, or featurephone for the matter, please?
About the "Android stuff", I installed it just for curiosity, and tested that it really works, then removed the installation as unnecessary.
What I did install, however was some basic packages via zypper; make, gcc, gcc-c++, kernel-devel, python,... The usual stuff that you have on a smartphone.


Just as relevant as your above utterance :D

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Then you can tell me what is sent out/accessed by "native" Sailfish apps or the ones to come?

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Although the Ubuntu Edge got my attention with incredible specs, I want to go the other route - let's optimize our mobile operating systems to where I don't need all of that hardware (I'll take as much RAM as possible though) to run just a few simple things.

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Stop calling it jPhone already.

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I don't have the money or the will to buy a new phone every year, this phone was an exception because Jolla needed all the support but there is no way I'll ever buy another phone that costs more than 300€. I asked so many times for that low power notification thing but it never came, so I suppose what I'd want most for the next iteration of Jolla would be that AMOLED display with notifications and clock on screen, better battery and the HD screen that they promised but later revoked.

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Have you heard the mispronunciations of the layman of Jolla? I've stopped counting the variations - Yolla, Joy-la, Yow-lah, Jaw-lah, Joe-luh, Zha-lah... I know I've missed a few.

JPhone is just so much easier to say. What do you suggest?

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The jPhone, but pronounced with the letter j as in Finnish, so "Yay-Phone" ;)

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I fully support this.

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Sounds more like Gay phone.....
Just call it Jolla, will ya....

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So far Jolla didn't even give their device a distinct name, so no point in making one up. Confusion of Jolla pronounced differently is partially caused by Jolla themselves pronouncing it differently (Dzholla, Yolla etc.) :) I personally see no problem with it though.

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just stick to jolla. ask Marc via twitter how it should be pronounced

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Sigh at another uneducated post... See we all can leave witty one liners?

If you want something to change then step up and help instead of whining. After all this is not Nokia's forum but the community's so everyone can help out...

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No need to be so serious about a flippant remark more than likely made in jest.

Loosen up. Why so... no. I won't go there.

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I dunno why this thread isn't locked, answered Daves question with my post.

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I think the more pertinent question is, "Can Jolla survive the next 6 months?" The smartphone industry is so fiercely competitive that Jolla would be hard pressed to survive if it made all the right moves but it has made so many wrong moves that it is like a comedy of errors. Among them are:

1) Taking too long to come out with Sailfish when the world has more or less consolidated into two major platforms - ios and Android.

2) Putting in Android compatibility instead of Harmattan apps compatibility. Android compatibility stunts the development of native apps while Harmattan compatibility would be an upgrade path for millions of N9 users plus ensured a pool of quality apps at launch.

3) Doing nothing to promote the development of native apps - no developer units, no developer programs, no contests, no resources and leaving the SDK in an alpha state until the phone was about to launch. Result - almost no native apps at launch.

4) Refusing to prioritize the shipping of early units to developers begging for them in order to test and release native apps. Strictly going on a first ordered first served basis resulted in early units being flogged off on e-bay and auction houses for insane prices.

5) Having no option for paid apps in Jolla store which will again stunt the development of native apps. Isn't this a higher priority than sending out T-shirts?

6) Not setting up a bug tracker and saying they have no time to read bugs so don't send them any bug reports.

7) Wasting their 5 mins of fame and free publicity by launching a buggy beta os unfit for general users. Jolla may improve its os later but will the world know about it?

The world doesn't care if Jolla is a small start-up or not. The question is, "After the group of open source geeks, nostalgic Meego enthusiasts and patriotic Finns have been satisfied who will Jolla sell their phones to?" General users have NO REASON to buy a phone for its Android compatibility when they can buy an Android phone. The only thing that can save Jolla is a pool of quality native apps but Jolla is unable to see this even though the lesson of BB10 is plain for all to see.

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Honestly, without the Android support I would have probably not bothered with Jolla. I have been there with N900, N9 and Z10. Wont bother with that anymore. Been there, done that. Like you said, most of us are settled to iOS and Android.
I or you both know with this Android app decision or without we will see similar kind of hobbyist apps as we have seen on N900 and N9. Not all that great and nowhere near enough to anybody who has got accustomed to Android, iOS or WP. Meaning over 95% of current smartphone users. Though I agree that they are not really putting much effort for native apps at the moment.

As for the buggy OS. Jolla was already late 6 months, most likely thanks to ST-Ericsson. They need to get the OS and device out there to start generating revenue and get feedback from customers and their possible future partners. What I have seen so far has been no worse or better than iPhone, HTC G1 or N9. There's no such thing as a complete or not buggy smartphone OS on launch and there never will be.

And yes they do have pretty much a impossible task a head of themselves. Though you got a hand it them that they have got this far already. There are countless of startups that die before they get anywhere near at launching that hardware. While Jolla has managed to ship out their own OS and hardware on one of the most, if not the most fierce industry there is.

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True, but I feel like there was all this effort wasted in just getting the hardware done (designing, signing deals, QC, etc etc).

Why didn't Jolla just pick a host device; eg Nexus 4.

Then moved on with the software. Pretty much get the software done (less buggy and more features) and have Android compatibility layer.

They could then re-badge the devices and sell it themselves. Or they can accept people's devices and wipe the devices and ship them back with Jolla OS. Hell they could accept handset only, and shipping back in a Jolla device box with the manual, Thank you card and all the other tidbits to please consumers.

Ofcourse, this is a less ambitious attempt but it would've been more rewarding. Even though the Nexus 4 would've become outdated by the likes of the Nexus 5. But its still a better handset than the Jolla.

Hell, they could've done the Nexus 5 as the next device... and maybe even go as far as the Note 3, SGS4, HTC One etc etc. Once the software is nailed (incl. the SDK) they could then try for their own handset... or maybe partner up with an OEM to do so.

Imagine a Jolla device based on their specifications and ordered from LG. Just like how the Nexus 5 is a variant of the LG G2 despite looking and feeling completely different. Or maybe Samsung for some SAMOLED goodness like a clock screen saver and dynamic notifications.

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Do you know who came up the name jPhone. :D I'm just trying to build a brand. Having a phone and calling it nothing or jolla(same as company) is so weak from a commercial stand point. I hope jolla starting using the term jPhone. It's even more important when this second device comes out so customers can refer to them fast and easy with a catchy word like jPhone ll.

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Trying to push my luck :D

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Give the buggy and incomplete state of the OS now, one wonders what state it would have been in 6 months ago ...

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Guys, forget the past and think of what state it will be in 6 months. It will be interesting how fast jolla can push features while without regression.

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I really like that the phone and the company have the same name. It's like when bands release albums with no names.

I'm not looking forward to their black UI with no writing on it though. :-)