Jolla hardware compatibility
 

As requested in another thread, here is the one to chat about hardware compatibility.
My own experience :
Sennheiser MM 450-X Bluetooth headeset : OK.
Plantronics M25 : OK

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Wired Koss Korta Pro with microphone and button, no go.
The button is not sensed in either phone calls or media player.

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Nokia BH-111: phone OK, media player all buttons OK.
(Headset volume button acts independently from Jolla volume set by rocker: volume will be 0-100% from Jolla volume. If not loud enough: use the rocker on the phone. BTW Interesting warning Jolla gives at higher volumes in media player. Good policy.)

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Jabra Wave+ (Bluetooth) - works perfectly.
Koss PortaPro (headphones only) - works, but notification sounds still seem to play through the phone's speaker, at least when the screen is dark. Maybe this is a feature?

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Some more: Nokia wired headset with four-pole plug (came with C7, no idea what type) - strong tapping sound in left channel; audio plays without tapping sound. If answer button is pressed during audio playback, volume increases a lot.

Another Nokia contraption (sorry, no idea what type, I've got closets full of these, having had dozens of Nokia phones since whenever) with media control buttons + answer button and a 3.5 mm socket - with Koss PortaPro headphones plugged into the socket, same tapping sound, the media buttons (play/pause, stop, forward, backward) do nothing.

A novelty handset with four-pole 3.5 mm plug and a polarity switch: if the switch is pushed in, no tapping sound. Haven't tried calling with this thing yet. This works perfectly with my C7 if the switch is out, and the answer button answers and hangs up. IOW something seems to be wired differently than in Nokia phones.

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Yes, Nokia always had their own proprietary headset wiring and Nokia phones always needed special Nokia-compatible headsets. Jolla OTOH is not Nokia.

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As noone else seems to have this trouble, I'm asking, what am I doing wrong? With regular volume on the ringtone I was listening to some J. Joplin through my Porta-Pro's, then I got a call. Felt as my ears was being destroyed, not pleasant. How can I lower the ringtone volume through headphones?

Edit: wrong thread?

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Nokia Purity HD Headset (Bluetooth) : OK
JVC KD-R721BT (Car Radio Bluetooth) : OK

Car Radio plays also music via Bluetooth which my SGS2 never did

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There were two headset wiring standards. Neither of which were proprietary as such.

OMTP was backed by Nokia, Ericsson and most of the European and Asian Manufacturers.

CTIA was backed by mostly American Manufacturers, most prominently, Apple.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phone_c...#Mobile_phones

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So far...

Nokia BH-221: Supports Bluetooth A2DP, AVRCP, HFP.

Jabra SP700: Bluetooth car kit - HSP, A2DP, AVRCP, HFP.

Phillips SHB-9100 headphones: Works fantastic. I'd given up using these on my N9. HSP, A2DP, AVRCP, HFP

Onkyo RBX500 bluetooth speaker: all works.

All the bluetooth devices have the same issues though for me.

1) There's no alert on the Jolla to show a bluetooth device connecting/disconnecting.

2) It uses the headphone's ringtone, not the one configured in the phone.

3) It doesn't resume playback of music after a call.

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anyone with a jawbone? :D

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Sennheiser MM100 bluetooth stereo headphones + microphone:

after seemingly successful pairing to the Jolla, the Sennheiser has crashed.
No more blue light on the headphone, also not when connected to it's USB charger. May need battery removal (tedious)
Note that Jolla media player when directly launched after pairing to the MM100 played at max volume and the Jolla's volume rocker did not control the volume any more.

BAD

Nokia Play 360° Bluetooth NFC speaker:

NFC does not wake the speaker most of the time.
One time Jolla NFC woke the speaker
But it does not initiate the BT connection automatically
This after previous manual BT pairing (speaker known to Jolla)
Speaker works normally when connected manually by Bluetooth.
Volume control by speaker or by phone.


For the always-on-battery-leeching-NFC I did hope to get better use out of the NFC.

So so

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None of my wired Nokia headphones (HS-100, WH-102, WH-100 and WH-104) with microphone work properly -- when plugged some cracking sound can be heard all the time, microphone doesn't work at all and voice that can be heard is just strange, a kind a psychedelic :)

Have some wired Sennheiser for music and they work & sound great, Plantronics M55 BT headsed also work without issues.

And I am pleased to report that some low-budget USB solar charger also charge Jolla -- it doesn't work with Nokia E7, N900 and N9 (but work with older models like E71 that doesn't charge via USB).

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@sponka it appears Jolla have gone for the more widely used US standard for headphones than the OMTP standard Nokia used to use. Nokia themselves also ditched OMTP in the latest Lumias.

The USB charging standard states that the two middle pins in the connectiin have to have a resistor connected or just shorted. This is what Nokia followed in the N9, N900 etc. Apple on the other hand decided to put a voltage across the two middle pins to tell it's products if the charger is compatible. Most 3rd party chargers follow the Apple rules. You can buy adapters that fit inline converting to the USB standard on ebay.

It's kind of sad that the standards were rolled over by the Apple accessory market but on a practical basis great that Jolla have realised which way the wind has blown.

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Motorola SF600 works fine for talking, playback!
Jolla sets volume to 50% by default when you press play and asks for confirmation. also, the volume is set separately on device and headset, i.e. when you set the device to max., that isn't the highest possible volume unless you also set the headset to max.
When I had Jolla on 50%, some of the classical music was barely audible, I actually needed 100% on Jolla to get decent volume.
EDIT: when swithcing bt on first on the Jolla, then on the headset, it does make the connection automatically, but the sound is weird, metallic and distant. To get proper sound, it's necessary to switch the headset on first, then turn on bt on the Jolla and initiate the connection. that is the other way round from what I'm used to, and I find it pretty cumbersome, bcs you actually have to go into the bt submenu of Settings app - they gotta find a better way to do this.

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That is pretty much incorrect, Nokia used a decent universal compatible reasonable non-proprietary AV-plug definition until they started their messed-up winphone stuff:
http://www.gsma.com/newsroom/omtp-do...ue-audio-v1-0/
http://www.gsma.com/newsroom/wp-cont...ueaudiov10.pdf
It's particularly Apple who use a proprietary non-standard non-compatible interface for their headsets. And to a marginally lesser degree 50% of Android devices.

It basicaly boils down to Apple using a weird pinout where GROUND is on the 3rd pin from top, and the very sensible microphone input is on the base 4th pin from top where you would expect sleeve/shielding (and every metal case 3.5mm plug actually inevitably HAS sleeve/shielding on that pin. See "TRRS" == Tip Ring Ring Sleeve). Apple did this so their iPod-et-al devices could operate with standard 3-pin headphones but for headset they would need their own incompatible "peripherals" as usual with Apple. The trick simply is to get an adapter that swaps 3rd and 4th contact.
Recommended read: the "Headset differences and standard (OMTP, AHJ, and Apple)" section in http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/flow...Windows_Ph.php

And a footnote since neither I nor the wiki and above URL made it clear: it is totally insane to put the sensible microphone-input signal on a pin (Sleeve) that is inevitably exposed to get touched by user's hand when using a metal case plug since this will introduce all sorts of hum and (RF) interferences. And even plugs with plastic case internally have a mechanical support to crimp the complete cable into it, which is connected to sleeve of course (see photo, the longest of the 3 solder contacts of this 3-pin, 4pin are all the same, no matter what material the case) http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NDgwWDY0MA..._id=880000500F. This effectively made a convenient way for Apple to totally defeat all efforts to DIY or fix/replace a plug to connect to their devices

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I am really happy the Jolla connects flawlessly to the JVC car radio. For the first time I am able to play music on the car stereo, both N900 and N9 refused to do so.
Edit: connect by Bluetooth

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sorry that's also a misconception. When Nokia N900 and N9 didn't work with your car stereo then you used the wrong adapter cable, that's all. N9(00) Audio receptacle works exactly like the headphone connector of any arbitrary stereo tape recorder, walkman, mp3(-noname)-player (NOT iPod!) of the last 30 years.
Particularly the Nokia CA-75U 3.5mm-4pin<->3*RCA/cinch cable that shipped with some N900 is not the right cable to connect to any stereo amplifier (unless you short the yellow RCA plug by cramming in a conducting object, like e.g. another RCA plug)

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Nope, they did for their first lumias, the recent ones reportedly implement a dual-standard that automatically switches between OMTP and the insane "US standard"
Yes, one of the official USB standards as defined in charging amendment is to short the D+/- lines.
And according to when attaching the Jolla charger to flawlessly charging N900 this is exactly what this charger does.
Also Jollaphone is charging happily from standard Nokia charger.
So maybe Jollaphone knows about the resistor voltage divider thing as used by Apple, but for sure they are using the "Nokia" standard by default.
OTOH it seems most aftermarket USB PSU simply don't connect the D+/- lines at all, they simply leave them open. So maybe it's iPhone that knows how to charge at max 500mA from arbitrary chargers, ignoring the USB specs. And there's no such thing like a wind blowing a particular direction?

/j

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Sorry, that was badly worded. By 'Latest Lumias' I meant their latest phones, the Lumia line. I have a Lumia 800 somewhere from Nokia's developer program and the headphones from that despite looking the same as those that came with my N9 do not work with the N9 but presumably do with the Jolla.

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Thanks joerg_rw, to my surprise Samsung galaxy tab 2 work with Nokia's wired headsets with microphone (for ie. WH-103), tested with skype and gtalk.

Now this really saddens me as Jolla doesn't work, but when you mention that latest Lumia's know how to switch between standards, maybe Jolla can this, too, just need to "learn". I really hope so :)

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I doubt whether there is a possibility to put a stereo jack plug into my JVC car unit. I tried Bluetooth and USB with N900 and N9, couldn't make it work. My wife's Samsung SIII can use both Bluetooth and USB.
But the main message was: Jolla + Bluetooth + JVC = working for me.

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Another important compatibility for me is a solar charger. I use the Waka waka power. Both N900 and N9 refused to charge with it, the Jolla is happily charging.

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As mentioned (though not elaborated) above, the N9xx devices were very USB compliant to avoid any mishap that could happen to some crappy non-compliant laptop that's braking when a device tries to pull 500mA without proper prior negotiation about the fact. Also some really cheap crappy USB chargers could break and catch fire - in THEORY. Thus N9xx only dared to pull 100mA until charger signals it's a fast charger. Probably Jolla revisited this design rule and does like all other devices: assume 500mA is always safe to draw.
You however could change that behaviour on N900, at least when using stuff like charge12.sh or pali's kernel based bme replacement. On Jolla I don't see any path to do such system level tinkering, last not least for the missing hw docs (aka schematics and BOM). Not that I'd think some charge12.sh would be feasible for stock N9 firmware either. Both are pretty same it seems.

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The N9 also refuses to charge via apple charger, which probably isn't a dumb charger. It complains about not enough power.

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Apple charger has a resistor voltage divider on both D+ and D-, fed from 5V VBus, so you have signalling analog voltage levels on D+ and D- telling iPhone how much the charger can do.
This doesn't work for N9, as elaborated above, since N9 only checks for the simpler more robust D-/- shortcircuit to detect fastchargers that are supposed to deliver at least 1200mA or somesuch. Otherwise N9 will assume USB host and try to enumerate and negotiate max VBus current it may draw. Neither of both works with Apple charger.

recommended read: http://learn.adafruit.com/minty-boost/icharging

/j

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I have a bunch of adapters like this one...

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B004YX...dir_mdp_mobile

All it does is short the two middle pins forcing the N9 to think the charger is ok. You can make them easily enough yourself but back when I found one on ebay they were a couple of quid. It easier to let someone else do the soldering.

I bet that would get your solar charger working on the N9(00).

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Jolla connected to a Pioneer DEH-6400BT CD/Radio car unit over bluetooth works well.

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I can't get my Nokia bh-214 to work. Probably need to get another one.

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I'am looking for a new headset for my new Jolla but I don't know which Headset is fully compatible.. :D

So i assume that any Headset which is compatible with Lumia 610/ 800/ 820/ 900/ 920 will also work on Jolla?!
The question is: will also the Volume keys of some Headsets be functional?

Do you think the Nokia WH-920 Purity Stereo Headset by Monster will be fully functional with Jolla? :confused:

Edit: Any suggestions for a good headset? :)

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I heard latest lumia have a switch to accept both OMTP and AHJ. So I rather would test with an old N900 compatible Nokia headset and a AHJ headset aka apple headset. Then you know which "standards" jolla supports. Or you simply look up in schematics or technical device specs of jolla... oooops :-S

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...HJ#post1407054

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Am I the only one who is noticing that the Nokia N9 wallcharger is getting very hot by charging Jolla? The charger is getting so hot that Jolla is reconnecting and 'losing' the connection after some time... :eek:

Didn't try the original Jolla wallcharger yet... :D

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It doesn't do this for me. And I often use the N9 charger for the Jolla.
Are you using the original USB cable from the N9 with it?

Yea, I do. :)

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I use the Sennheiser MM 70s in-ear headset with Jolla, mostly for listening to music, but microphone also works OK. Most pleasant surprise was the lack of background hiss. For example with Nokia E71 there was a lot of hiss with 16 ohm (impedance) headphones, but for Jolla they seem to be a great match. Jolla's headphone jack feels quite sturdy just like the microUSB port. Even if I turn the audio plug, it doesn't cause any interference.

On headphones' sound quality I agree with PCmag's review. The weak point of the product is the flimsy volume slider. Accessories include 6 pairs of different ear sleeves and a nice pouch with a clever opening mechanism. Cable length from the plug is 1.0 m to the left side bud and 1.3 m to the right side, for a tall person it might be too short.

A wired headset's button doesn't work in Jolla, but pressing the button does create kernel messages (dmesg), so maybe in the future functionality could be added to Sailfish. On some phones you can also skip tracks in media player by pressing the button twice, that would be a nice feature to have.

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@hana do you have used this Headset with the N9?
Can you manage all the functions, also jump for and back in Music?

Thanks

Chilango

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@chilango I don't have the N9. The MM 70s package includes an adapter cable for Nokia. On the compatibility site the closest thing tested is N900 and with that the button is said to work for taking calls.

By the way, here's what gets printed in Jolla's dmesg when I press the button:

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Support for wired headset buttons call handling comes in next update according to Jolla roadmap. So stay tuned :)

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Homemade raspberry pi bluetooth to dac works fine

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Sennheiser MM100 bluetooth headset now works, including microphone and stop-start button in call application.