Anyone knows if/when Jolla makes a second device?
 

I'm following Jolla's Sailfish (and MeeGo, and Maemo) for quite some time and I'm quite sure it's the best option available on the market for today and the future concerning mobiles OS's.

But: I want to use it as fast as possible, but I'm not really convinced about the quality of the hardware.
Why: because of the results of the screen, battery and performance. I'm sorry, the website is dutch, but the graphs are clear, as you can see on the link and the next page (in dutch: "volgende pagina").

So if that's the case, I'd rather wait for Sailfish to become downloadable for other devices (Nexus, maybe?) or when Jolla makes it next device. It would be a logical decision to make a device with hardware keyboard, as most of the Jolla users want. Yeah, I've seen the topic about the other half and keyboard, but at this moment I'm not convinced by the level of quality that will bring).

So, does anyone one if/when Jolla will bring it's second device, if this will be with the so much wanted keyboard (why haven't they made it in the first place? Most people REALLY want it)?

If that questions can't be answered, does anyone know when Sailfish become broadly available for other devices? In december there was quite some noise regarding Jolla and the last weeks it's awfully quiet...

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Just a short answer - and not even the right one to your question ;-)

But:

-Battery life is great once you use a workaround for the NFC bug (and with great, I really mean great!)

-screen is much better than I thought. My girlfriend has a Galaxy S4 with full HD resultion (it's my best comparison to a better screen). At normal use (!) I don't really see a difference between that screen and the Jolla one. I was bothered about the qHD screen before I ordered the device, now when actually using the phone I don't care anymore - I don't even think of it.

-Viewing angles of the screen aren't the bests, but also not the worse (a regular user won't miss anything). I miss a the AMOLED screen of the Nokia N9 I used before - but also prefer some aspects of the LCD one.

-performance is suprisingly good (even in Android 3d games which I tested). Of course it's not high end and I also wished to have more RAM for example. But does the phone feel slow? No, not at all. Many used iPhones or Android devices out there might even feel slower, despite superiour hardware.

I wished you could just hold such a phone in your hands. That probably would give you another opinion about the device :-)

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i can only support capricos points and findings...

before the nfc bug was discovered, i had battery life comparable to my android-phone... a bit better probably... as i am typing this, my phone has been off the charger for approx. 9 hours.. i didn't get a lot to using it today, just played around in store and warehouse and did a quick restart of the aliendalvik via terminal to test the behaviour of a specific android app - i now have 84% battery left ... the best part is though: battery performance should get better with upcoming updates...

sceenwise i was a bit surprised.. i came from an qHD AMOLED display that offered pentile-matrix... even though there is the same resolution, the one on my jolla seems a lot more crisp and sharp - i never understood that resolution-madness anyway though...

i wouldn't count on a second device in the too near future... that's a lot of work and at the moment those people are dedicated to get the OS out of beta...

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Agree with caprico too. The key thing I want to see is fixes and features added to the OS and then a port so I can get rid of Android on my Tablet.

I could not care less now for new hardware, what we have is more that adequate and once some more optimisation arrives it will only get better. Don't forget Jolla had very little time to optimise the current cpu as there was a very late change away from Siemens. This means there is plenty left in the tank before the HW becomes a major obstacle.

Also there is a chance that you will be able to run Sailfish on newer android devices in the near future.

Exciting stuff.

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Screen quality is imo almost as horrible to review as a piece of HiFi gear. You have certain standards you can separate the products, like resolution, but everybody will perceive the screen quality differently in the end.

It's not competing against screens like Note 3 or Lumia 1520 almost stamp like screen.
Like repeated in quite a many source, it has among the best color production. Something I have always liked about iPhone screens. Though it is not as crisp as its competition.
http://wpsailors.com/2013/11/29/joll...trast-average/


As for the second device. I believe it was said on a interview that there's one device already planned, but can't be bothered to find the link. I believe it was in Finnish.

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Any new devices should ensure there are no binary blobs or secret proprietary code to hide back doors in. Also one were the user can properly re-flash their own hardware with a factory or modified image.

Security and support of FOSS is far more crucial than any number of pixels or features.

Richard

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Frankly the reason I want a second version of the hardware is to support worldwide GSM/HSDPA and LTE.

Everything else is just software and the other half.

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The "issues" with the hardware are these:
Brightness:
218 against 287 to 588 nits for the rest. It's the least bright screen. The Nokia N9 was the one with 287 nits, so it's 24% less bright.
Contrast: 425:1. I would expect at least 700 or 800 here. The best ones having more than 1000:1 contrast.
Color-accuracy: 6 (lower is better) against 4.1 to 2.1 for other phones.

Battery: non-issue, solved with the "NFC-hack", as is mentioned in the review. Startup-time camera: 4.68 seconds against 3.6 to 1.51.
That's 1 second behind the second last and 3 seconds behind the first of the bunch.

I would have to rely on your experiences with the device. I'm sensitive for screen quality. Resolution is not that important to me, but contrast, brightness and color-accuracy are. I'd like to have a bit of a color-real screen, so it would match my calibrated displays at home.

I'm not sure. The numbers don't lie and the website tweakers.net is a very respected site in the netherlands. But I don't see the numbers relate to user-experiences (before and after the review).

When I have the chance, I will see if I could get my hands onto the device and judge myself. It doesn't have to be top-notch, but I expect some quality. If Sailfish will become available as a download, I could get it on my Samsung Galaxy S3. It could be possible it has better hardware compared to the Jolla. I already have the SGS3, the Jolla would cost me €400 (selling my SGS3 for €250 it would cost €250). What would you do in my situation?

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While I don't think the screen is bad or anything, I would suggest that you wait until you can test it in a store.

Compared to my LG TV, S-IPS and S-PVA display (connected to my PC) color accuracy is indeed quite poor.
E.g.: On the phone's screen I can barely see a difference between red and (red) orange-red while the difference is very obvious on my other screens.
But brightness isn't an issue imo. I'm able to read everything in bright daylight (haven't had a chance to test it in summer sun obviously ^^ edit: but so far it's better than with every phone before).
I had a Samsung Galaxy Nexus before. Compared to that the screen's resolution is an issue for me because I can't read very very small texts on websites without zooming in. Or maybe the software isn't yet ready to accurately display small text? idk.

But for the moment I wouldn't go back to any other OS. The gestures are so much faster and more intuitive than home and back buttons etc. Phones with buttons, especially physical ones like the Note 3 / Iphones, suddenly feel awkward and outdated.
For a phone the headphone sound quality is good too, which is my main use of mobile phones.
So while I am certainly not amazed hardware-wise, the software is imo already miles ahead of iOS and Android (never had a Windows Phone, but it is slightly better than Windows 8.1 on a tablet, but only by a bit. I still like Win 8.1 - it's not as far off as the other two)

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The least bright screen? What?

I am constantly running my Jolla on the lowest brightness level and I still wish there were lower levels. Any higher option is just too bright!

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The hardware is capable of lower brightness, but the UI doesn't permit it.

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Good to hear this. I would almost think something in the review has gone bad, maybe I'll try to contact them.

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The jPhone ll must be announced before end of year if jolla planning to ever grow. If not they have to be tiny until the end of days.

go and buy the current jPhone to support them!

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I think some of those numbers are quite wrong.
This article tells something different:
http://wpsailors.com/2013/11/29/joll...trast-average/

I also have had a Galaxy S3 for one year before I get my Jolla.
And I can say the screen is much better than the S3 one.
Its brighter and has much better colors. The S3 screen looks a bit like a gray veil lies over the screen when compared directly.
On the other hand Black level are much better on S3 and there is a slightly better sharpness. But the resolution difference sounds much worse than it is. The display looks sharp and only desktop-versions of hompages with small fonts and without zooming are not as sharp as on the S3.

Kamera startup:
Those numbers are definitely wrong. Start the camera for the first time is as fast as on the S3(sometimes even better) and when camera runs in background its faster.
But there is another thing, if you go back to homescreen there is no delay on the Jolla phone, but on all Android devices an especially on the S3 there is a long delay.
So on Jolla you can switch much faster between the apps.

I have uploaded a video to show this:
http://youtu.be/EjBSkQ3xoHw

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I think some of those numbers are quite wrong.
This article tells something different:
http://wpsailors.com/2013/11/29/joll...trast-average/

I also have had a Galaxy S3 for one year before I get my Jolla.
And I can say the screen is much better than the S3 one.
Its brighter and has much better colors. The S3 screen looks a bit like a gray veil lies over the screen when compared directly.
On the other hand Black level are much better on S3 and there is a slightly better sharpness. But the resolution difference sounds much worse than it is. The display looks sharp and only desktop-versions of hompages with small fonts and without zooming are not as sharp as on the S3.

Kamera startup:
Those numbers are definitely wrong. Start the camera for the first time is as fast as on the S3(sometimes even better) and when camera runs in background its faster.
But there is another thing, if you go back to homescreen there is no delay on the Jolla phone, but on all Android devices an especially on the S3 there is a long delay.
So on Jolla you can switch much faster between the apps.

I have uploaded a video to show this:
http://youtu.be/EjBSkQ3xoHw

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Who gives a damn about a new phone, I'd rather they polished Sailfish and got together with a few hardware manufactures, I feel like they have an ace up there sleeve.

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@robnas
the author of the article allready commented on it: he didnt have the device for long as he wanted to return it to the owner before christmas, and there have been quire a lot of bugfixes since then.

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Sailfish needs to run in the real world to expose bugs and improve it. The more hardware platforms the better this process works.

Jolla needs to be planning jPhone2 and hopefully this time use chipset that supports FOSS and allows a reflash to factory default images by the hardware owner.

Richard

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The ones who uses it, about 99% of the members here that are using Jolla?
.....duh????

As I said before: I think it would be good to contact the makers of the review to see if they want to do it over. The numbers don't represent the user experience, so it seems...

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Even if software or you don't need a new phone... that is a must. The market needs it. jPhone ll is a must even if jolla only tweaking the hardware a bit. A new spec a new device a new name. All of that trigger sales and attention, unfortunately also costs .

If jolla can convince anyone else to release a sailfish device . Fine. But if they fail they need to release jPhone ll. I hope we hear something about new devices and plans at MWC next month.

Great story that must start all over again :D
http://stezz.blogspot.se/2014/01/a-j...hingMeaningful)

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On the other hand, the more hardware they support it on, the thinner the support is stretched. I'd rather they concentrated on getting their own hardware singing sweetly than fluffing some specs fetishist who won't buy a phone unless it's got a ridiculously high ppi or octo-core 3ghz CPUs

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Once the OS is out of Beta I don't care. I would hate to see another device announced before this. I don't want a developement phone I want one that can handle the fully released OS with ease, and be capable of taking the latest updates and versions for at least 18 months

My typiccal phone life/uasge is 2 yrs so I have 22months still with my Jolla before I look to buy again.


If Jolla were to quickly announce a Jolla 2 alongside an OS revision that only runs on the later device and leave the early Jolla 1 adopters in a cul de sac I would be livid. (Wp7.8 anyone!)

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a new phone was just released, there not a big company that can fire off phones at will like samsung

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and we still not have all the info of current new device ( i2c )

after 1 month of daily use...JOLLA is awesome!

regards.

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I just don't think it's as easy for them to release a new phone as people think, since there not focusing on hardware as they've said, there all about the services, so thats why am all game for them teaming up with manufactures who have the money to create a new 1080p 16gig ram with an octacore processor, rather than having to shoulder that weight themselves.

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Jolla CEO interview - it is in finnish, but perhaps some on-line translator can help..

http://mobiili.fi/2013/12/19/jollan-...dennakoisesti/

- they expect that some other manufacturer will release Sailfish phone in 2014 (in discussions with several possible partners)

- Will Jolla have new phone in 2014? "Probably - we have plans in place"

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That's what I said... Epic news. can't wait to get my hands on their next phone. Thank you jolla.

Name do the new phone? joll 2.0. I think we need a anticipation thread soon...

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jPhone2:)

One alphabetical step up from Apple.

Richard

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That's one small alphabetical step for a man, but one giant leap for mankind.

Jolla, feel free to QUOTE me and neil(rip) in your next commercial for jPhone ll.

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do you think jolla would be commited to keeping the same dimensions for the other half, so that they are interchangable between models?

if yes, how does this impact on maximum screen size for a putative jphone2?

there is a lot of bezel (still) to play with, so; 4.7", 5.0"...

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Wish I could ignore all posts including that word.

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MWC 2014

http://wpsailors.com/wp-content/uplo...1/jolla_34.jpg

Jolla standing in the shadow of NTT docomo big area. Coincidence or do I just dream? ;)

Sailfish alliance back on track...

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No room for Tizen in Japan because of Sailfish. At least in dreams.

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For me, the reason to wait for a second phone is that it'll be sort of a proof that Jolla was succesful enough, and they're planning to continue this. Otherwise, it may as well end up like Maemo and MeeGo for all I know.

Also, hardware keyboard

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The existing jPhone will give you the opportunity to experiment and learn so as to be fully up to speed when the new versions arrive.

It is not an expensive phone and is worth it just for the hackability alone that enables active participation in the many user communities:)

Richard

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I don't think Jolla should define itself as a "better copy" of iPhone, I think Jolla is strong enough to stand on its own!

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Would love to get 4-4,3 inches phone from Asus. jPhone is not appealing for me after N9.

Though it's probly gon be ZTE, which jumps on ever OS - ff/tizen, already.

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People who use the term jPhone have abnormally small genitalia

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I doubt jolla looking at a 4 inch jphone at current state. It would actually be as likely as if they officially called it jPhone. But I think you shouldn't look at the screen size but rather the dimensions of the device. Why Asus? I take any vendor for support of jolla. But I would love to see levono join with sail...k900 is a beauty

I really hope we hear something at MWC. An external partner is likely to push top class devices since it's a business of scale.

Jolla’s Chief Technology Officer Stefano Mosconi posted...

"We will be in Barcelona again for MWC (want to meet us? Contact our press dept. ;) ) and besides eating tapas and drinking good wine and beer we will demo some of the cool new things we have been working on.

We will provide (the hacker) community with tools to hack on top of Jolla and Sailfish.
"

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https://together.jolla.com/question/...-8-contestant/

Vote and Lets hope jolla have something for US at mobile...