Nokia low-end Android phone is reportedly unveiling at MWC (pic inside)
 

Hold your breath - Nokia seems to indeed go Android :eek:

...without Google Play Services but some combination of Microsoft/Nokia services.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bdd1OWuCIAQN_Ue.jpg
image source: @evleaks https://twitter.com/evleaks/status/420933979655512064/

source: http://www.engadget.com/2014/02/10/n...y-at-mwc-2014/

and

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...74893734151208

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I wonder if G will have to pay MS for each of those sold, that would be a cruel joke

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Google doesn't pay MS, the manufacturers do.

Ok, so in the case of the nexus devices that would be google but in this case that would be nokia.

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It's ridiculous - is Nokia aiming to "hate" every 2nd device they produce? They weren't marketing N900 as they should, because of Symbian. they weren't marketing N9 and Pureview, because of Elop. Now, they're going to produce Android device and instantly hate it due to Microsoft partnership... Tradition, eh?

For sure, they're leading company of planned obsolescence, nowadays. Fortunately, N900 and Maemo devices live on their own, thanks to wonderful communities. I don't think that owners of more closed solutions - if i get the "customized android" phrase right - are going to be so lucky.

Lesson for customers? Stay away from new Nokia products.

/Estel

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Well, that is easy since there are not really that many "Nokia Products" any more, it's all Microsoft products from now on. (It might still say "Nokia" somewhere on small print but that's just legacy...)

I am fairly confident this is not going to materialize, sorry.
It's all vapors, I do not understand why people keep on spinning these things up?

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That is just your (also mine ;)) realistic and reasonable view.

But after what I have learned from that company (since N95) they have their own view. And this thing may come true in this or that shape. :eek:

BUT:
who cares?

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There wont be Nokia mobile company in month or two, so staying away from Nokia phones is quite easy. You can't buy any Nokia devices.

Lets wait till MWC. There has been way crazier things happening in the mobile business.
I still remember before Rover/XRX-51 announcement how I got all the hate around here for calling it a mobile phone rather than a tablet. :D

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I tend to agree, imagine the humiliation for MS if these comprehensively outsold their own Windows Phones.

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The announced collaboration with HTC is quite interesting though, don't you think?

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Is there a collaboration? From what I understand, and I might be wrong, Nokia and HTC just agreed to end their litigation over patents.

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i don't think this is impossible. price is king and a lot of the manufacturers are trying to build lower end phones (apple, samsung, even facebook is trying to expand internet access to "poorer" peope, so too is google). in fact, i would be very surprised if this low end android phone doesn't outsell Windows Phones. :)

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Wait, two pages and no LumiaMan comment yet? I'm disappointed ;)

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I don't think you understand the matter here from MS's viewpoint, their strategy is to push people to windows ecosystem. It dlse not matter what the ultimate cost of the handset is, and they are pushing the low end with 520 et al.

The chances of MS adopting Android platform are about the same order as of me ever installing windows on one of my computers, pretty slim even in this infinite universe!

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The bottom line is the all mighty dollar. If Nokia of MS can make a buck doing this they will do it. I think their thinking is that if folks have decided to buy a low end android os phone and not buy a MS os phone they might as well buy MS/Nokia's android phone. Plus it provides an opportunity to build a bridge to MS products to those that have used and liked the low end Nokia products.

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It's all about the customers in the end;
if they can promote their services on the android platform, but offer the full-blown set only on windows phone, they have a pretty good hook. ofc the risk is people will go android and bye windows; this sounds like a desperate move to me... :|

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Come on, don't be silly. Microsoft is not going to offer what the customers want. They have clearly demonstrated it with Windows 8 (as did Gnome devs with Gnome 3, but that is another matter :)). So no, Microsoft is not going to release phones with anything other than Windows on them. They will do everything they can to stuff WP down the customers' throats. By force if necessary.

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Even if this device enters mass production i wonder for how long will it be supported by nokia? how many days will this project see? I dont see any high specs android phones from nokia in near future becoz it will be a danger to wp platform and that could create meego like situation.

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i actually think MS has already been left behind many times in the fight against android. Android has already evolved far beyond just mobile phones.

of course MS would be worried with Nokia making such a move. i am quite sure once the transaction closes (with MS buying over the devices portion of Nokia), they would totally kill this Android device by preventing Nokia from further developing it.

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Nokia are reported to have said:
"the companies will also explore future technology collaboration opportunities."

The author of the article I linked to imagines that means working together on Windows Phone but as the patents belong to real Nokia (i.e. not MicroNokia) and they've already squandered billions flogging that particular dead horse I'd hope they were thinking of something more fruitful.

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How so?
You do realize is MS makes more money on this than WP, then they'll be happy.... right?

There would be 0 humiliation because MS would never disclose how much each platform sold or how much profit each platform raised.

If the trend continues, WP could eventually just turn into a handful Apps, UX and APIs just like Google has done (keeping ecosystem and OS separate).

We could have Windows on phones, tablets, TVs, watches and etc without an OS shipped from Redmond. It's called smart business.

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It would be extremely humiliating, Linux is a 'cancer' remember. Imagine Microsoft having to adopt it in order to stay relevant. Heaven :D

Would they have to go through the charade of making Windows Phones nobody was buying in order not to reveal it was their Android phones that generated the money? Could they persuade carriers and retailers not to let the cat out of the bag?

Not only that but being forced to adopt Android in order to gain some relevance could make their monopoly of desktops even more vulnerable to an Android incursion.

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Wrong, adopting Android wouldn't affect their desktops.... not if they want it to.

Carriers don't release information like that. Sometimes they do reveal their top selling smartphone.... but it will be the iPhone, noone would know if MS is making more money or sales from WP/Android.

Besides it's not humiliating in the least, it's only business.
Was MS humiliated when they revealed they make more money off Android royalties than Lumia sales?? Nope.

The industry has changed. You either lead it, or adapt with it ...or watch yourself fall from relevance as it happened to:
Nokia, BlackBerry, Palm, Motorola, (lost marketshare) LG and SONY.

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humiliation really means mind share / market share to a company. it means brand value as well. yes, there is money to be made but look at the bigger picture.

if they support Android (implicitly or explicitly), that would have an impact on their entire portfolio of products and services.
1. Office 365 - better support for Android
2. Office for Android would need better support
3. Visual Studio needs to be updated to support Android development
4. Mobile device management in System Centre to include Android
5. Windows Server to include support for Android (tablets for example might need support for Kerberos authentication, cached credentials, etc).
6. Internet Explorer to be ported to Android
etc

It's huge, and it means more than just $$$ gained from having Nokia sell Android phones. There is a lot of investment to be made and MS will really need to look at what benefits they gain from this and what Google makes out of it (indirectly or otherwise). As it stands now, I am quite sure MS will not invest in Android in such a large scale so Nokia will be on its own if it really launches this device.

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falling from relevance isn't necessarily a guaranteed outcome. inability to change is a guaranteed death march.

MS can always choose to innovate, build new products, bring new R&D technologies to the market, etc to combat Android. It will try and try again till it gets it right. If there's one thing MS has, it's tenacity (and a lot of money) to keep trying.

I believe MS will eventually get it right with Windows Phone because Google is now moving Android into 2 different areas for improvement
a. Introducing new features
b. Providing more frequent updates by moving core OS services and features into packages that can be updated more frequently and easily.

Both of these are territories that MS is very good in fighting.

The rise of Android is partly due to the fact that it is cheap (almost free depending on which licensing model you pick) and it's *almost* open source (in the early days anyway).

I'm not counting MS out of this race yet even if they are the underdog now up against crazy odds.

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This. Photo. Right. Here.

http://bilde.digi.no/nokia+x-hvorfor...&ee=1393245636

Elop. Presenting. Android.

omigods!

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I will have to eat the humble pie, poor me :(

I was so sure this is a hoax, I just could not see a way for Microsoft to ever release a Linux-based device, I thought that went so against their DNA, to actually admit their prized top-secret source code would not be the best solution for everything/everywhere, that actually something originating from Open Source World would have any value whatsoever :D

So, this is my public apology, I now admit I know really nothing about the way world turns...

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Enjoy ! :D

--
I do understand that you do not understand. Neither do I.
What was the positive aspect of killing a successful line of linux-based devices then?
But maybe this is the reason why we do not earn m/billions! We just cannot make dumb decisions, just to make decisions...

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It may just be that the only thing they are using Android to, is to release a batch of Android derative products ment to cement the image of Android being a lower end product with a natural upgrade path to Windows Phone.

And in the next round they will have the opportunity to scrap this line of products and state that Android could just not be beaten into shape to fullfill their own requirements to quality and performance. Elop's gotten a new platform to torch!

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Elop was a double trojan horse - to bring down Nokia and then Microsoft??

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He's now Xbox head after reportedly suggesting the Xbox division should be sold off... This guy is really a genius at convincing head honchos to hire him :p

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I wonder how well the interface on the X series will work.
I'm always curious about new user interfaces, but since this is a budget phone, I'm skeptical that Nokia put in the effort to make it really good.

My experience with Nokia designed interfaces is very mixed. I loved the maemo 5 and harmattan interfaces, thought the S60, Symbian^3/Belle and Windows Phone interfaces are ok, but hated the interface on budget Series 40 (non-touchscreen) phones and actually prefer Nokia series 30 devices from an interface point of view.
I haven't tried any Asha touch devices because of this (even-though they look very N9 like). Are they any good? Do you think the Nokia X interface will work well?

But to be fair, I think the interfaces on keyboard phones from other manufacturers are just as horrible (or worse).



My first reaction to the tiles is: rather ugly, icons like on the Asha phones and N9 would probably look better.

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Apart from Nokia and MS, now that Elop has stepped in, I guess the future of Android is at stake as well :p :o

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My take on that is that the upper-ups obviously heard him when he presented his sell-down plan when he was manouvring for the CEO title. He didn't get the CEO title, but that doesn't mean they didn't agree on some points, and there may be will to sell out the gaming parts that frankly isn't core Microsoft business, even if it's profitable.

What's Elops business strategy, what is he good at? Convincing head honchos. Selling off large companies/divisions to other large companies. Not quite as good at building them. So, I don't think they would've promoted him to that specific role unless they want him to fascilitate a sale.

Either way, they have to deal with his ideas one way or the other because he leaked a platform memo published his plan as CEO. They have either told him to find a good deal to sell out, or told him NOT to sell it, just run it.

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Hah, so what does this mean for future, Microsoft deal expires at the end of 2015 (as I remember), so Nokia has already released android phone, and this means that nokia will go on android after 2015 in all phone ranges (even those high ends one...) So that means to buy a Lumia device is probably stupid thing to do, because it can happen the same thing like happened to Meego and N9 (no support or a poor support by Microsoft..)
Nokia is sinking even more with this step, changing the OS on every 2 years is just stupid, they are confused they don't know where to go, I think the best solution to go forward is to make a 2 steps back, back in 2010 and choose the MeeGo way and create strong partnership with Intel which would provide the best chips for their devices, and ofc, they must do something more than just mobile device, I see the future in 1 OS on all devices (phone, laptop, PC, tablet...etc..)
I feel sorry for Nokia because of their administration, I hope someday they will get it and we won't be forced to use an apple phone.

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The division that made the Android phone, is the part Microsoft bought. So, this phone would help Microsoft, not rest-Nokia.

As to the deal that expires at the end of 2015:
My first impression was that it was Microsofts right to use the Nokia brand. Apparently, I was wrong. What ends after 2015 seems to be the exclusive right to the Nokia brand. It seems that Microsoft has a right to use the Nokia brand for ten years.

Source, Elop talking about the future of the Nokia brand 10 years from now: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...kia-brand.html

If I was to believe both those interpretations, this would mean that Microsoft AND Nokia can make competing phones under the Nokia brand after 2015? That is just impossible. There must be a clause that prevents Nokia from doing it, or Microsoft would already ditch the Nokia brand. They do not appear to be rushing towards that.

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LOL I just found out that CPU used by the Nokia X series isn't similar to the Lumia 520 at all.

Nokia X uses MSM8225 (dual core Cortex A5 and Adreno 203 made on 45nm), Lumia 520 uses MSM8227 (dual core Krait and Adreno 305 made on 28nm).

So the CPU alone is half as powerful as the CPU in the Lumia 520, and GPU is of the previous generation. Windows Phone 8 currently couldn't run on this hardware even if Nokia wanted it to.

At first I was curious about the Nokia X phones, now I will definitely wait to see reviews. Single thread performance on the Cortex A8 in the N9 is better than on Nokia X. That combined with a relative old Android version will most likely result in bad performance, but I'll wait for the reviews to see this confirmed

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For those that are really bored: Here is more about Nokia X. Click link at bottom for details...

http://www.xda-developers.com/androi...okia-x-family/

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I was hoping that there would be a little more excitement about the X phone on TMO than this, what gives?

I have been looking for a new phone for a while now and the XL looks like a nice cheap device to play with as a stop gap for later things. Heck, a Nokia device built on an open source OS with an uncertain future is right up my alley :D

Who else is buying one?

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I would concider one as a work phone. Cheap, ok looking and would do the small task I need it to do... mostly phoning :D

Dousan...

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Every NokiaX sold would be a slap in the face to Windows Phone too, haha.

The one group where I do see potential in with these phones is the baby boomer generation (our parents) who will choose one. They will not care about the specs or OS but would like “one of those smart phones”from the company they know and just does what they need with the ability to play what ever flappy birds flash game rip off is the flavor of the month, without trying to figure out how to access the launcher menu first... It is an untapped market, I reckon.