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bockersjv 2014-05-22 13:33

Updates 6 and 7 combines and now expected early Jun
 
As per This post on jolla.together. The next update is early June.

Good news is that this brings 4G to all users.

mariusmssj 2014-05-22 15:57

Re: Updates 6 and 7 combines and now expected early Jun
 
I do actually prefer a big well tested and full of new features updates.

They need to fix WiFi support for for all WPA types. Can't connect at home or at work currently :(

Dave999 2014-05-22 16:00

Re: Updates 6 and 7 combines and now expected early Jun
 
Copy and paste...

Delayed.

Leinad 2014-05-27 06:41

Re: Updates 6 and 7 combines and now expected early Jun
 
Great news :) the biggest problem i have by far with Jolla will be fixed in next update

We have now fixed the following w.r.t reboot issues which will be delivered with the next update

zlatko 2014-05-27 09:27

Re: Updates 6 and 7 combines and now expected early Jun
 
@Leinad
I think a "paper under battery" solves it in predominant majority of cases. And the fix included is "less sensitivity to sudden power consumption peaks" which is a SW work-around for the paper trick :) But anyway - great!

mscion 2014-05-27 14:08

Re: Updates 6 and 7 combines and now expected early Jun
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1426341)
Copy and paste...

Delayed.

Interesting. Seems as if copy and paste works in some places but not universally. For instance copy and paste works in Notes and I can copy and paste a url in browser. However I am unable to copy and paste text from email in the default Email app or text from an article in the default Browser app. Is that the case for everyone? Perhaps I need to change a setting somewhere? Anyways, I have found that on the android side of the Jolla phone you can cut and paste in the yahoo mail and on an android browser I sideloaded (Boat Browser). Also there is a nice android alternative to Notes you might consider called Notebooks that sets up a bookshelf of your notes. Looks nice. The down side is that I can't cut and paste something on the android side to the default Jolla apps. Would be nice if there was a clipboard that lets you copy something from Jolla app to android and vice versa.

@Dave999 Don't want to start something but there are a growing number of conspiracy theorists that believe cut and paste was omitted from Jolla phone because they know it is the most often used tool by you as you troll these threads. However, I want to go on the record and say that I don't believe a word of it...

strongm 2014-05-27 16:14

Re: Updates 6 and 7 combines and now expected early Jun
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mscion (Post 1426795)
Interesting. Seems as if copy and paste works in some places but not universally ... Is that the case for everyone?

Yes it is. Cut and paste is not implemented system wide. Jolla are introducing it on an app by app basis.

Dave999 2014-05-27 16:26

Re: Updates 6 and 7 combines and now expected early Jun
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mscion (Post 1426795)
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@Dave999 Don't want to start something but there are a growing number of conspiracy theorists that believe cut and paste was omitted from Jolla phone because they know it is the most often used tool by you as you troll these threads. However, I want to go on the record and say that I don't believe a word of it...

Me neither. Jolla don't have a clue how to do it thread safe.

nodevel 2014-05-27 17:29

Re: Updates 6 and 7 combines and now expected early Jun
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by strongm (Post 1426808)
Yes it is. Cut and paste is not implemented system wide. Jolla are introducing it on an app by app basis.

That is not really true. It IS implemented system wide, not on any app by app basis. You can copy text from every selectable text field in the system (the problem is that fields in the browser are currently not selectable, but that is the problem of the browser, not the copy/paste system). If you develop an app, it is already there, you don't need to implement anything.
In the e-mail, the text is not editable, therefore not selectable (not having non-editable selectable text boxes looks like current limitation of QtQuick, so they might have to implement it in Silica).

I don't see Android as a part of the system, but sure, it would be nice to implement some type of sharing functionality between those two clipboards (optional though - I don't want Android apps to be able to access my clipboard, I'm glad they are separated).

aegis 2014-05-27 19:01

Re: Updates 6 and 7 combines and now expected early Jun
 
I already tried debunking the copy/paste myth in the experience thread. It's not complicated. You can't currently select text in non-input fields and some browser fields. How they solve that will be interesting given the heavy use of gestures and long presses already.

mscion 2014-05-27 19:49

Re: Updates 6 and 7 combines and now expected early Jun
 
Ok. So am I correct to assume that the cut and paste will be expanded on an app by app basis? In otherwords cut and paste does not depend on the Jolla phone updates but the developer of the app implementing that feature. The way it is done on the android app is nice in that a long press gives you two brackets to surround the text you want to copy or cut. Also I still think transfering text between android and Jolla apps would be good. Just need to create tmp file with r/w access for both. Andoroid does have access to some files under Nemo. For example I have the Android app Poweramp playing videos stored in Nemo/Videos.

aegis 2014-05-27 19:57

Re: Updates 6 and 7 combines and now expected early Jun
 
No, I don't think it will require apps to be changed. It's a system wide change. The two standouts however might be the browser which is a wrapper on gecko and Android.

Leinad 2014-05-27 19:59

Re: Updates 6 and 7 combines and now expected early Jun
 
copy & paste between native and android apps worked from the first version, it has the same limitation like between native apps: you need a text field to copy.

MartinK 2014-05-27 20:05

Re: Updates 6 and 7 combines and now expected early Jun
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nodevel (Post 1426817)
not having non-editable selectable text boxes looks like current limitation of QtQuick, so they might have to implement it in Silica

I think this is pretty much the root cause. IIRC the same limitation was already there in QtQuick 1.0/1.1 and the Harmattan Qt Components had some pretty horrible hacks to work around it. So Silica will most probably have to do something similar, at least until the Qt upstream adds the needed bits (no idea if that is planed or someone is working on it).

mscion 2014-05-27 20:24

Re: Updates 6 and 7 combines and now expected early Jun
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Leinad (Post 1426835)
copy & paste between native and android apps worked from the first version, it has the same limitation like between native apps: you need a text field to copy.

Hi Leinad. Are you sure this is correct? If I copy text from android and then try to paste it in a native (Jolla) app the only thing I can paste is what was previoulsy in the clipboard when using a Jolla app.
I'm sure I'm about to have a "Doh!" moment but how do you do it? Thanks!

Leinad 2014-05-27 20:31

Re: Updates 6 and 7 combines and now expected early Jun
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mscion (Post 1426839)
Hi Leinad. Are you sure this is correct? If I copy text from android and then try to paste it in a native (Jolla) app the only thing I can paste is what was previoulsy in the clipboard when using a Jolla app.
I'm sure I about to have a "Doh!" moment but how do you do it? Thanks!

oh sorry, i guess, it only works from native to android. i never used it the other way around

mscion 2014-05-27 20:42

Re: Updates 6 and 7 combines and now expected early Jun
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Leinad (Post 1426840)
oh sorry, i guess, it only works from native to android. i never used it the other way around

Hmmm, doesn't work either way for me. What did you copy from and to? Might help me figure out what I am doing wrong.

Dave999 2014-05-27 21:37

Re: Updates 6 and 7 combines and now expected early Jun
 
Doing wrong? Copy and paste is not somethimg you should figure out. The system doing it wrong. And lets hope we get copy and paste soon.

lets hope it will be in july update 8

Leinad 2014-05-27 21:40

Re: Updates 6 and 7 combines and now expected early Jun
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mscion (Post 1426843)
Hmmm, doesn't work either way for me. What did you copy from and to? Might help me figure out what I am doing wrong.

for me it worked with every combination of apps i tried, even complete sms. but you need to use the paste button on the keyboard, not the Android paste button.

mscion 2014-05-28 01:17

Re: Updates 6 and 7 combines and now expected early Jun
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aegis (Post 1426834)
No, I don't think it will require apps to be changed. It's a system wide change. The two standouts however might be the browser which is a wrapper on gecko and Android.

Assuming this is an offical answer then it is app by app!

https://together.jolla.com/question/...te-capability/

mscion 2014-05-28 01:21

Re: Updates 6 and 7 combines and now expected early Jun
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Leinad (Post 1426848)
for me it worked with every combination of apps i tried, even complete sms. but you need to use the paste button on the keyboard, not the Android paste button.

Are you using a different keyboard than default? I don't see a paste button on mine. If it is an optional layout how do I get it? Thanks!

Leinad 2014-05-28 07:52

Re: Updates 6 and 7 combines and now expected early Jun
 
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Quote:

Originally Posted by mscion (Post 1426859)
Are you using a different keyboard than default? I don't see a paste button on mine. If it is an optional layout how do I get it? Thanks!

i don't use any special keyboard... when i copy some text from native notes app for example and then open an android translation app, the clipboard appears on top of the keyboard, see screens. and this works in every android app...

mscion 2014-05-28 13:01

Re: Updates 6 and 7 combines and now expected early Jun
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Leinad (Post 1426891)
i don't use any special keyboard... when i copy some text from native notes app for example and then open an android translation app, the clipboard appears on top of the keyboard, see screens. and this works in every android app...

Ok. you ready.... Doh! I missed that entirely as I was blinded by how I had gotten used to doing cut and paste on android. Thanks again!

aegis 2014-05-29 01:45

Re: Updates 6 and 7 combines and now expected early Jun
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mscion (Post 1426858)
Assuming this is an offical answer then it is app by app!

https://together.jolla.com/question/...te-capability/

Colour me surprised! I'd have thought copying text from non-input fields would be a system feature. Perhaps they just have to make sure whatever selection gesture they use doesn't conflict with in-app gestures.

There is of course no copy gesture. Selections are automatically copied to the clipboard.


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