Help NielDK develop for Sailfish (Jolla Tablet & phone)
 

NielDK user & developer is asking the community help him develop for Jolla Tablet & phone (Sailfish OS) by contributing with funds via Indiegogo.
His tweets :
https://twitter.com/nieldk/status/535136717008044033
https://twitter.com/nieldk/status/535086350580862977
https://twitter.com/nieldk/status/535331891436879872
https://twitter.com/nieldk/status/535719143170134016

His software contributions in OpenRepos.net (Sailfish & MeeGo Harmattan).

His projects in Mer OBS.

PS: I'm not affiliated with NielDK, but just interested to boost the developer community around Mer/Sailfish.

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It would have been great if he could actually post an exact list of hardware and software he needs. Just a thought.

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I thought exactly the same. Not suspecting he wouldn't need it for buying the hardware, just curious :)

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Sorry for being sceptical about this:

1. Afaik NielDK has a decent job, and wages in Denmark are not that bad.
I can have sympathy for guys like CepiPerez, who's stuff got stolen and lost his job. People like him and Coderus actually create new software and therefore additional value to make a device differ from others.

2. I don't understand the need for "development devices, software and hardware"
As NielDK mainly compiles/packages other persons (command line) software, that could be done on a simple PC with free SDK/emulator software.

3. And a bit more unrelated: the constant goodbye's, whether it is for bootloaders, batteries or council issues. He urgently insisted on removing his TMO account, only to create a new account within weeks.

But in the end: of course everybody is free to donate money to whomever he wants.

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Please, don't go personal. We don't know the real financial state of Jolla and we contributed to the Jolla Tablet. Does NielDK need to open his personal life (job, financial situation, etc) ? No.

Porting & packaging Linux softwares to Mer & Sailfish take a lot of time. I also do it in Mer OBS. Some projects take many hours or even days to port from OpenSuse, etc, due to different or missing dependencies in Mer / Sailfish OS. Some upstream versions don't compile in Mer OBS, so it is needed to use older versions, etc. Calculate how much costs 1 hour from a programmer and you will see that many softwares ported to Mer & Sailfish costed a lot from the people who packaged them.

Testing Mer & Sailfish is better done with real devices. I for example installed Sailfish on my 2nd Nokia N9, on my Nexus 4 (bought to try Ubuntu Touch & Sailfish) and on my Jolla smartphone. I've bought a 2nd Jolla smartphone just to test softwares and OTH hardware ideas. I've also bought Jolla Tablet mainly to help me test Sailfish softwares adapted to tablet screen. So, it costs a lot of money to have Sailfish devices to properly test (performance, compatibility, landscape screen mode, etc) softwares, CLI ou GUI ones.

PS.: I'm not asking any funds for me.

Last but not least, if you think porting, compiling and packaging softwares is a piece of cake, so try to contribute, e.g., packaging Fortran (gfortran) to Mer & Sailfish OS.

I think community should motivate people. Even more developers that work for free. NielDK case.

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Well , someone who is compilling stuff is a packager/maintainer not a developer. Just my opinion.

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I think the majority of packagers & maintainers (for Mer, Sailfish, MeeGo Harmattan, Maemo 4 & 5, Debian, Open Suse, etc) are also developers.

Many softwares from, e.g., OpenSuse, Debian, Ubuntu, need modifications to compile and package for Mer & Sailfish, MeeGo Harmattan, etc. All of them need modifications at least in files .spec, control, rules, etc. Some of them modifications in shell, Python, C/C++ source code, i.e., to modify you need to understand it, so you need to be a developer in multiple programming languages.

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Mer & Sailfish OS need more packagers & maintainers. There are softwares/projects with more than 100,000 lines of source-code, with many dependencies, that aren't ported yet.

If the Mer/Sailfish OS want more softwares, the developers (which many are also packagers & maintainers) need to be motivated.

Porting & packaging is not an easy task. For example, from my experience :
- in 10/02/2013 I've ported & packaged NumPy 1.7.0 one day after its upstream release. I've taken some hours to port, compile, package and test it on MeeGo Haramttan. But the Mac OS maintainers took one week to port & package NumPy 1.7.0 to Mac OS !
- SciPy for MeeGo Harmattan was the hardest project I've ported & packaged until now. I've spent in January 2013 some days trying to port, compile & package, without success. Then in September 2014, after 3-4 days of full dedication, I've finally got it and some (build) dependencies.

So it is not easy at all to port, compile and package softwares.

If somebody doesn't agree, let's take TeXLive, gFortran, Octave, R, Maxima, Haskell, etc, and package them for Sailfish. :p

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I absolutely agree.

And there's one more thing we should not forget - when you have enough software ported, then many developers can take advantage of it and create great software.

There are countless times when I just gave up an idea of an app/feature, because I just (after many tries) couldn't port a utility I wanted to take advantage of.

Re: Help NielDK develop for Sailfish (Jolla Tablet & phone)
 

Hello All.
I will try to answer all question.

1. I dont at the moment have a development PC. What I have done, is done from my workplace using merproject to test and build.
2 Many of you know my financial situation. I had to let go of almost all my 'gears' to get rid of debt. I have left 2 N9, 1 N900 and 1 Jolla that is slowly dying. Of those, 1 N9 and 1 N900 will be given away for coding competition.
3 Yes, I have a decent job, thanks God. Otherwise, me and my children would already be on the streets :(
4 If you dont think of packaging as a developer task. Well, perhaps, you are fine to believe so. I believe the tasks involved in packaging have already been explained here by others. It is your opinion, but quite honestly, if you clain that, I dont think you have even tried.
5 I want to create a flashable image, to restore the device. This is definately a task for the fainthearted. I will almost 100% brick devices while trying (almost already did), so I will need at least two devices. Prefferable more,
6 I 'left' Council, eV board etc because I, and others, where accused of being 'power hungry'. By erasing my old account, and creating a new. I have no karma, and cant be voted back in. I have no power!
7 This is completely vulentarely. I am not trying to force you.

Last. There are MANY developers who will benefit from support (donations) and they are ALL needed to make a good lovable device. NOT just me.

I ask you to consider this.

I started this campain to bring attention. It is getting attention. Good! and already more is following my idea, which shows me there is a need for developers to get donations.

So, if you appreciate the work done. Please do show so. To me, coderus, or other of your favorite developers.

(coderus campain: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/s...eloper-support)

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--- Done---

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Great things happen, when working #together http://youtu.be/6D6cw8Ob2sk

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Done... ;)

Re: Help NielDK develop for Sailfish (Jolla Tablet & phone)
 

@nieldk You should take some inspiration from coderus' campaign - perks are what makes crowdfunding fun ;)

Re: Help NielDK develop for Sailfish (Jolla Tablet & phone)
 

:) making people happy with my work is fun .
Seriously, it's really good to see the support that both me and coderus is getting.
This is showing the true power of a free community.

Re: Help NielDK develop for Sailfish (Jolla Tablet & phone)
 

Steadily approaching my final goal :)
Thanks for all support guys

Just for the fun of it, added a few perks.
Get yours , NOW:)

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Understood, also I reckon that having a fully flashable image is a useful tool for developers I gave you a symbolic heads up in equivalent of +/- 1% of my monthly income, friend :)
As a more average user I am not so much into CLI as I would like to be and to be honnest Jolla is not the most encouraging device to use a CLI on and that's why some of your repo's applications represent a true brain challenge to me.

Although I find you helpful in the comments section there is some "if you don't know what it is you don't need it" barrier and IMO a few more words on what functionality to expect on Jolla specifically would be welcome.


Good luck!

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Thanks for these words. And you are absolutely right, CLI is not for all.
Allthough I am no GUI guru ;) there can be collaboration between my work, and those developers that actually can do GUI programming. Prey is the first example of this. I see other prospects for such co-working: tor and tox are obvious.
So, do I leave out the GUI ?
For the moment, yes, I dont have enough skills. However, tor is a very good prospect for learning, and part of the donated money is already spend on books to learn from.
I believe my comments that are sonmething like 'if you dont know, you dont need it" are very much related to the fact that users do risk when enabling developer mode, so its ment like a friendly reminder, in a way perhaps that seems a bit 'rough'. But, better safe than sorry.

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Whilst I agree with your sentiment, I don't think this is a convincing argument; it is a very different thing

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A little help is on it's way -- it helps paypal too ;-)

Re: Help NielDK develop for Sailfish (Jolla Tablet & phone)
 

These are great schemes and an opportunity for users to be directly involved in the future development of the Sailfish and Jolla projects.
Richard

Re: Help NielDK develop for Sailfish (Jolla Tablet & phone)
 

I'm "broke" until first week of December (partly because of TOHKBD), so I guess you'll have to wait a week for my donation ;)

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Only 350 more to hit target

Re: Help NielDK develop for Sailfish (Jolla Tablet & phone)
 

Be quick, 240euro to go

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I really really don't understand how this guy is already at nearly 2k while CepiPerez is only at 400€. I don't want to talk down his contributions, but in the end all he did was take existing software and packaged it up. Do you seriously need emacs and wine on your phone? Meanwhile CepiPerez wrote several unique great apps that actually make sense on a mobile phone.

Well, just my 2ct

Re: Help NielDK develop for Sailfish (Jolla Tablet & phone)
 

Well that's your cents, you can shove 'em to where you like :p

As for myself, I do not care about your social-media-cr4p so much as to sneeze that way, instead having neat SWDEV tools on my device is worth a lot to me.

Everyone has their favourite needs.

Re: Help NielDK develop for Sailfish (Jolla Tablet & phone)
 

There was a minor issue with PayPal, which should be solved now.
But, only one day left to reach my goal.

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1. Niel and coderus started their fundraisers earlier and have done equally brave things in my book.
2. Fewer people might know what Cepi has done, will do and who he is...
3. He might have more funding if(you relax and wait while) new people learn to know him and he is posting @TMO...
4. He still got 400€ more than me...WTF?!?! ;)

Don't come here and rain on Niels parade but rather go here if you like to show your support to Cepi also. (But only if you supported niel first :) )
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...highlight=cepi

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Like I said, I don't want to belittle his contributions, everybody is free to decide what they work on. I just can't imagine anyone running windows applications or use their phone to code while on the go.
Already posted in Cepi's thread and contributed ;)
Thats why I noticed that the fund only went from ~280€ to around 400€.

Re: Help NielDK develop for Sailfish (Jolla Tablet & phone)
 

Oh, but I do code "on the run" ;)

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Well that won't work with your device even with wine ^^^ :p

Wine is only a library wrapper, it does not work on anything except x86 platform, certainly not on ARM based devices.
You'd need to use QEMU for that.
(Not that anyone'd need windoze applications for anything really, OMHO...)

Daily bread&butter. Not going to dig out my laptop for any small idea I get, and even when I do, it's easiest to develop on the device itself, just using laptop to ssh to it.

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[OT]
Guys, what source editor do you use when on the go? (Please let it not be vi or emacs, please let it not be vi or emacs, please let it not be ... ;))

I used TinyEdit recently for a small config file edit and hit the - nice to look at but not always practical - Sailfish paradigm: swipe to expose the menus. Not very convenient if you are in the middle of a long text file. You have to scroll all the way up or down first and lose your current position in the file.
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Re: Help NielDK develop for Sailfish (Jolla Tablet & phone)
 

I'm boring. I use nano ;)

Re: Help NielDK develop for Sailfish (Jolla Tablet & phone)
 

i'm carrying my laptop :D

Re: Help NielDK develop for Sailfish (Jolla Tablet & phone)
 

Sorry to disappoint you, yes, it is mostly vi :D
On my laptop I always use emacs though.

Re: Help NielDK develop for Sailfish (Jolla Tablet & phone)
 

Contributed! Now it's 1936€!

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€2,000 goal reached!

Congratulations Niel! And just in time to buy yourself a Jolla Tablet :p

Re: Help NielDK develop for Sailfish (Jolla Tablet & phone)
 

Already "ordered", as well as phone.
Laptop coming tomorrow - 4g i7 120g SSD.
Thanks for the really fantastic support !
Now, on to help cepiperez!

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...10&postcount=1