Who will surpass Apple/Android in the mobile sector?
 

Android will lose its attraction at some point (as pointed out by Dave999).

However, prior to Apple/Android, it was Nokia.
And they pretty much had a monopoly in that segment.
Starting from the Nokia 5110 (1998), and ending with the Nokia N8 (2010) which lost out to the iPhone 3GS, Moto Droid, and Nexus One.

So it was a long 10-12 year reign.
So if we say the Apple/Android era started from 2009 to 2012.
Then we could say their era will end as soon as 2019, and as late as 2025 (I'm betting on the former).

So what do you think it will take to knock Apple/Android off their domination?
What kind of innovations could we expect?
Leave your comments down below!
; )

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In 2025, I believe we might lose the superphone industry, and actually have it superseded by wearables.

In particular, obsoleted by smartglasses or even smart lenses.

With the UI happening in your eye. Basic Navigation would've found a way to be hands-free. And virtual reality becomes a big thing.

Games would be played in your eye with a gamepad (in your hands) that you never have to see. To increase the visual clarity of the software, you can keep it running but close your eyelids and block out ambient visuals.

I expect the alarm system to be very shocking experience, hahaha

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Okay... I may sound like a technophobe, but I would rather not have electronics implanted in my body. And I would be glad to see a way to be rid of wireless; while wires are cumbersome, I would think that a good design can take care of that (wires inside clothing, or something) without exposing human to electromagnetic fields. Like, optical cables, anyone?

As wireless industry expands, tin hats, foil pouches and copper tails may actually become a fashion reality ;-) Well, electromagnetic-field-isolating wallets already are...

When speaking of wearables, I am actually thinking of Stanhope ring. Compact and private display, and can be part of a "net" of gadgets, such as bracelet for measuring blood pressure (even blood oxygen and glucose levels, too, if these green, yellow, red, near-IR, IR diodes finally will be able to provide accurate enough measurements of what is happening).

If you do not need privacy, but want to keep seeing ambient environment, then forward image to glass-display, yes (semi-transparent glasses-displays should become fairly popular in the sunny places where people wear sunglasses regularly). Unfortunately, eye-focus distance makes it difficult to make not-bulky see-through electronic display-glasses.

Given how easy it is for a human to pinch their nose, electronic glasses should definitely have buttons somewhere here.

Bone conduction microphone and speakers are interesting, as well as "third eye" camera at forehead (I would say it is a more intuitive place to mount it than above the bicycle helmet).

Why do they put Bluetooth everywhere? Surely, wires are less power-hungry?

Thank you. Best wishes.

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What about one of these?

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/...20140103173630

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Look to China for the next rising star.

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companies like oneplus that put out high spec phones at mid-level prices. can't remember off hand, but it may be meizu, are rapidly catching samsung in terms of numbers shipped. they mostly stick to android/cyanogenmod at the moment although oneplus is developing their own derivative.

i still hope jolla put out a new phone soon as some people are going to start seeing the existing device as outdated in terms of specs, preventing some sales. the tablet work should open up more hardware options (intel processor based like asus zenphone) but only time will tell.

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http://gizmodo.com/nokia-may-make-sm...ain-1698942672

The circle of life...

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No, No, No.

This has been handled through and through so many times... :mad:
Why do people keep up coming with these rumours?
What is the problem here, use your brains please. There is absolutely no sense for Nokia to start making mobile phones now, it is a stagnating market already well divided, phones are so yesterday.

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yup...phones are passe..
it's all about the install-ables.
4" emoticon screen on the forehead displaying current feelings so those around you have a "heads-up" (hehehehee) on how you're feeling....
and built-in buzzers to discreetly electrically shock those that displease...
those are the rage currently.
tomorrow it may change...(feel sorry for all those with forehead implants.)
All humour aside...
Nokia getting into the "game" again makes as much sense as the come-back of the VIC20 and the much maligned "tape drive" ....(albeit it was pretty cool back in the day).
For starters the public are tired of purchasing a new phone every year ..
I'm sure the majority of the pop. feel like they have been taken for a colossal ride the last couple of decades.
As well I'm sure the public is glutted on useless apps on do-nothing phones sporting the fastest -latest whatever that is unrecognizable with the last iteration they had.
Phones have entered the realm of the "far too common" there are way too many companies that are mass producing cheap phones and the staid tried-and-true corps can't compete any longer.
Any of the big boys stick around and it's gonna be like watching the Blockbuster corp. falling into the abyss all over again.
They failed because they wouldn't change.
Nokia was incredibly intelligent and foresighted to get out of that field when they did .
They rode the wave and new when to get off the surf board before hitting the beach.
The new mantra for the old guard at the moment is "Reinvent or die". Simple as that.

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i believe in the chineese

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yup...the chinese corps will manufacture cheaper and cheaper and the knock-offs of those will be equally competitive and the quality will (like all heavily exploited tech) deteriorate abysmally until it just isn't worth buying the junk.
No...until the "next big thing" comes along ...and I think that the NIT's from the 770 up to the 900 were the glimpse of the pocketable market in phones to come...true computers in the hand that... in the end... could make a call...
The NIT's were just ahead of their time.
And I think that time is well nigh.

After that...well..
phones are pretty much done as juiceme said (and I agree)
Look at what is being exploited now....
wearables...
forcryinoutloud....
wearables to phones are the proverbial death song like "Disco Duck" was to Disco.
("Disco Duck" most definitely put the nail in Discos coffin)

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For you. And me. And juiceme, reinob, wicket, peterleinchen, Copernicus, sixwheeledbeast and a lot of other TMO members.

But not for Jane Average.

When my wife's friend came for a visit, we tried in vain for 30 minutes to enter our WiFi password in her shiny and dearly beloved iPhones. (Yes, the plural is intentional. She has three of them!) The stumbling block was the '`' (the reverse apostrophe) character. Essential when you want to type anything meaningful in the Unix command line and hence essential for a NIT but a "what on earth would you use it for?" affair for Jane Average with three iPhones. Thank [a deity of your choice] for SMS, the only truly compatible service: texting the password to her worked.

There are a LOT of Jane Averages out there. Much more than endsormeanses and pichlos. By at least five orders of magnitude.

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This proves to me that Jane Average desperately needs a NIT too, since she cannot manage her apostopheria with any of her precious iPhones... :)

Think about french for example, the whole language is filled with aphostropes!

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Jane Average would not choose a WiFi password with characters she could not type on her iPhone.
Jane Average was a victim of visiting a geek house ;)

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hahahaa
ah...
Poor Jane...
hm...I remember the good-ol' days way back when I could get away with the happy hobbit life of the Luddite.

Speaking of poor Jane...imagine in a few more years when just like online banking eclipsed normal banking..ones groceries are just as tied ...ones actual necessity to eat...is tied to whether or not Jane can type that apostrophe ...
Interestingly our gov't is now mulling over the proposition of making internet access an "essential service" . Like water or electricity...

I think perhaps the new great Darwinian weed-eater of humanity may be of our species own devising.
And I'm not quite sure we should call ourselves "the odd men out" or "the minority" ...
rather I think the predicament we maemoers find ourselves in is more akin to riding the horns of the tidal wave...
Everyone is either on it or in it's way ...
Frankly I think we have one of the best seats on the technological wave and the best view.
:D

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/me makes a mental note to remind myself to add a backquote to my WiFi passphase. :D

Anyone know if the Nokia mobile division sale to Microsoft included their mobile patent portfolio? I always assumed that it did. That alone would make it very difficult for Nokia to reenter the mobile market in a meaningful way.

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No patents were transferred to MS in the NMP sale. That would have been really silly indeed.

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That explains why it was sold off so cheaply. I guess Elop wasn't even competent as a trojan horse if he let that slip through his fingers. :p

I do have to ask though, why keep the patents if they have no plans to reenter the market? Maybe they plan to auction them off to the highest bidder?

EDIT: More likely that they're happy to continue receiving royalties from patent licensing.

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True. The patent portfolio was never for sale. However MS got good licensing terms for the next 10 years for a large wad of patents.


Yes, many of the patents are being licensed to several handset manufacturers (many to MS but to others too)
All current licensing deals are non-exclusive AFAIK (meaning, same patent can be lisenced to multiple parties)

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What the hell is apostopheria/aphostropes ??
I don't know what you are saying here.
Are you referring to " , " ?

Even Google doesn't know:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=apostopheria

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I believe the oxford dictionary defines apostopheria as -

a shortened form of the contraction of the ailment known as "Apostopheria Diarrheaosis" commonly known as "running apostrophes"

:D

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Exactly, my apostropes are running away all the time from my apostopheria.
I believe I'll need tighter parenthesis to keep em in and locked!

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hahahahahaha
By gawd...
why... Juice-Me!
ah man ...you made me laugh for at least the rest of the day.
That is more valuable than anything I know of...

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Thank you, I am happy to be of service :D
I have to confess I also enjoy your endsoku a fair amount!

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hahahaha
stop making me laugh dammit.

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Oh you two...
Where the deuce is the Thanks button when you need it? :)

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It also suffered from apostopheria.

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I don't think anybody soon. Apple has too much cashflow.

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So has Microsoft. And look at them now :p

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Well, I would say it will be quite a while for android to be surpassed. Each iteration keeps improving. Lollipop is pretty good. M has some nice new features. I'd say they might not run out of steam until they get up to the letters Y or Z. But only cause every OS has copied each other to the point you can't tell them apart that much anyways. So... what does google do after they reach the letter Z? Does the world end? Dave999, I see countdown potential here!)

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The world as you know IT Will end. Is just a question of...Same With android/iOS. The two events might be connect or totally separated. The government might be responsible, or aliens. Or a combination of government and aliens.

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is "IT" the word "it" or does it stand for Information Technology? Regardless, this is getting scary... Are we counting down to a Brave New World?

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You can read it as "Information Technology War".

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I still hope that if/when we do get an apocalypse... that it would be fought with big Mecha's in a stunning anime fashion.

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Interestingly...there was just an interesting article on the state of ai and robotics and the fact that what the future holds are machines that will be virtually unstoppable...as things stand now ..shoot a leg or legs off...try to impair it's functioning in any way...and the thing very very rapidly assesses how to work with the impairment and continue...altering it's gait, balance ..everything... to accommodate and follow through with it's purpose.
If machines in the future are turned on us...it won't be an apocalypse that'll be fun-fun-joy-joy-super-cool to see....won't matter how big the gun or how many rounds you got.
We could only wish for Pacific Rim :D

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i dont Believe we should fight fire with fire...but rather with emps

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Big Mecha's what? Big emps? Eh? You guys confuse the hell out of me.

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Too much comics, I guess :D

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You durn kids!
Get off Juiceme's lawn!

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Or even Chinese.

IME the Chinese and for that matter Koreans and Japanese are good at improving ideas, copying, making them cheaper but rarely do they ever come out with an original piece of work.

I worked for a decade with Japanese software companies and even they themselves would admit that innovation was lacking.

We have smartphones today. I would think that in ten years time we won't or they'll be as unfashionable as a Nokia dumbphone. We'll have something else and the something else won't come out of China. I'd be very surprised if it's not USAian with Europeans having already invented it but been utterly rubbish at convincing the world they need it. And then copied by someone in China. That's generally how history works.