Nokia’s Return To The Smartphone Market: Officially Confirmed
 

Nokia’s Return To The Smartphone (Android) Market: Officially Confirmed

Well, they fall to the EVIL Google Empire!!! Cue sad and infuriated remarks.

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YAAP

Also, surprised? They are making a tablet with Android and their c launcher, aren't they?

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I expect it's another licensing job, Rajeev Suri's been far more enthusiastic about that than actually taking the risks themselves. To be fair, I can't really blame them.

Suri in November: "We are not looking to a direct consumer return to handsets per se ... The Nokia brand is still extremely powerful and we see considerable interest in licensing. We will pursue it ... in a thoughtful and considered way"

So really, is there anything much to see here? Just a Chinese no-name phone to have the Nokia name on the front (with their launcher). Wouldn't expect anything special at all from it.

If Nokia ever tries to do things the Jolla way, then I'll be excited. Until then, excuse my apathy.

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Android is the only option they have to survive in phone market when they will launch their own phone. If Nokia becomes successful, and captures some market share then they can develop their own OS to compete with Android.

And one thing im too much sure that Nokia will be the leader again in Phone market.

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Just another licensed device, the only thing "Nokia" is the name.
Nothing to be exited about.

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Even that isn't "confirmed".

Only that Nokia is willing to whore its logo for phones as well, if anyone (Foxtron?) is willing to pay enough money to use it for marketing yet-another-Android phone(s).

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Pains me to see them discard the jewels in the house "Fremantle/Harmattan" to pick up sh*t from outside "Android"

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IMO if nokia starts supporting meego again or popularizes the Sailfish OS by forming an alliance with jolla , Then Google can be dethroned from the smartphone empire in mere 3 to 4 years . I would love to see a Nokia phone running Sailfish OS !

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Does Nokia even acknowledge the existence of Jolla and Sailfish OS?

I wish some Jolla employee could enlighten us if Nokia ever contacted Jolla or if Jolla ever contacted Nokia

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All I expect, it's a Nokia N900 form factor!!! That's all!!!!

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There will be no peace until google is kill - George Washington

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Difficult at best.

Nokia will have to develop:
- a compelling OS
- a compelling device
✓ - a payment and store ecosystem (OVI, needs work)
✓ - a navigation system (HERE Maps)
- a video sharing portal (Vimeo, YouTube)
- a video telephony service (Facetime, Hangouts)
- a social network solution (G+, Facebook, Instagram)
- an email system (Exchange, GMail)
- a cloud storage solution (OneDrive, Dropbox)
- a search engine (Google Search, Now, Siri, Cortana, Bing)
- a TV connecting medium (Chromecast, AirPlay)
- a translate engine


I'm not saying its impossible.
I'm just saying its really really difficult, and probably requires a $10B+ investment.
(I would go by making $1,000 hardware and sell it for $500, partner with other companies like Yahoo, Amazon, Dropbox etc etc, and pay devs lots of money to port their Apps, and give away free gift cards to use in the ecosystem to all the customers)

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iirc, back in the days, Nokia helped in the formation of Jolla, did it not?

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If by "helped" you mean "pi$$ed off some employees enough to make them leave and found their own company" then yes, they helped indeed.

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Nokia has to regain the capability to build devices, a high end android phone branded as Nokia does not say much. I do prefer the Jolla "unlike" way!

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why? There's plenty of existing services already. Do we need more? Or do we really need them at all? I for sure don't. I'm using the same pop server for last 17 years and that works on everything. Just proper client would do. Depending on a lot of external services is not my cup of tee. How many of them get shut down every day? Google killed a few dozen, SONY also, youtube won't work on most smart TV's from 2012, OnLive gaming....... the list is endless. So I want device/OS that can be useful without 24/7 internet connection and gazillion cloud services.
And most of the above can be done in a browser so I'll rather have one good capable browser instead of 10 apps.

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Girls, please - you're both pretty.

But also wrong.

karan, the smartphone market is far more entrenched than it was 7 years ago. Windows Phone is pretty polished and even has most apps available for it, and the handsets are available for rock bottom prices - but even with all those plus points it's barely made a dent against Android. BlackBerry are making nice phones with a very nice, Android compatible OS right now, and they aren't pulling up any trees either.

Kangal - first of all I feel it quite important to state that Siri is not a search engine. Its back-end runs on Bing, IIRC. Also, third party would be absolutely fine for most if not all of those things.

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Agreed, that's one of the most important things.

However, I thought karan was talking about the Google ecosystem, because all of those tie into Android. Android is just a vessel, and on its own its not too special. In fact, if you try running barebones AOSP with no Google ties, it becomes a poor experience.

So if Nokia wants to dethrone Android, but keep Google's services that's an entirely different question and scenario. For example:

- Use Linux kernel, Qt framework, and Kangal UI
- Make Nokia N9 like device, just re-freshed and not sucky
- Use OVI services, but polish them up
- Use HERE Maps, it might need some updating
- Have native apps for YouTube, Netflix, Vimeo, Twitch, Vine etc
- Have native apps for Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat, Meerkat etc
- Have a native cloud storing facility to sync Contacts, Alarms, Calendar, Memos, Settings etc etc
- Have a rock-solid email solution, and one that caters for the big ones MS, Google, Yahoo
- Allow the user to search through Google, Bing, DuckDuckGo (and maybe Wolfram Alpha)
- Use Miracast for TV connectivity
- Use a translating engine from a third-party like Google
- Make sure there are competent primary native first party applications such as:
Phone, Messages, Contacts, (again Browser), Camera, Gallery, Voice Recorder, Calculator, Memo, Calendar, Alarm, Clock, Music Player, Video Player.
- Also make sure there are competent secondary native first party applications such as:
Flashlight, Compass, Thermometer, Barcode scanner, Document Scanner, PDF Reader, Comic/eBook Reader (dont judge), Quick Photo/Video editor
- And finally port over the top 100 iOS Apps, top 100 iOS games, top 100 Android Apps, and top 100 Android games.

Then sure.
I mean its not like Jolla is having a problem with this. Or that Blackberry is having a problem with this. Or that even Windows Phone and Windows 8 is having a problem with this. (sarcasm).

But yeah, those are the milestones.
They aren't impossible, its just difficult and a long procedure.
And had Nokia taken the initiative, ditched Symbian to focus on MeeGo, and not whored itself out to Windows.... this would've been long history. I mean they shipped the Nokia N9 in September 2011. They should've launched it way back in mid-2010 and also acquired Palm. But even so, launching it in 2011 by themselves, they could've caught upto Android/iOS in 3-4 years... they would've been broke yes.... but they would've caught up. And they could be sharing a decent marketshare today, slowly making up their investment, and be quite competent. In fact, Windows would probably be in a better shape too since they would've purchased RIM for a dime and strengthen their portfolio.

In fact, the biggest loser here is actually SONY.
They can actually produce processors, displays, and cameras... and own the industry in terms of Music, Videos and Games. The fact that they didn't go the route of MeeGo is their biggest downside and loss.

Siri runs on Wolfram Alpha.
Third-party would be fine, its still a task that shouldn't be underestimated. This is the reason why Google produces so little profits, yet is overvalued so highly. They own ecosystems all over the world, all over the industry. If suddenly Google shutdown everything, 70% of the internet would disappear and 80% of phones would become paper-weights.
Thanks, I bleach myself and shower in parfum for you honey.

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This Nokia "remmant" is basically a Patent troll trying to disguise itself. No idea why would anyone pay any attention to it (other than misguided sentimentality).

It's not the same employees, not the same factories, they don't even have access to the older Nokia IP except for a few $$ patents (which are useless for consumer products). And they plan to spin off HERE. So why do even refer to it as "Nokia"?

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I think we're both right on Siri, it uses both. Either way, Apple owns neither.

And I can see how it's valuable, but definitely not the necessity you stated it to be. Apply takes bigger profits than anyone else in the mobile industry, yet they actually do relatively little themselves compared to Google.

Also, which bleach do you use? I've been using the standard Tesco stuff, but it just seems to make my skin burn and hair fall out in patches :/

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This hardly deserves confirmed tag.
Just because some exec from 60 000 employed Nokia said this was happening, does not mean it actually will. I can't even remember how many times similar rumors were started by region specific executives in the old Nokia. Just to end up being nothing.

Also the 12 billion euro purchase of Alcatel-Lucent is pretty clear indication where Nokia is focusing. Even more so as it is officially selling HERE.

Nokia might use Foxconn build devices with Nokia Research attached features to showcase them with the intent to license them further. On consumer space Nokia might be more of a engineering house.

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I am still waiting for Commodore to enter the smartphone market
http://sleepingelephant.com/denial/w...one_better.jpg

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Even if they released a new Android, what's the difference with the existing Android phones? It won't have a keyboard nor 41mp camera so why we need another?! I would save money pay more intension on the potential Jolla 2 and the BlackBerry slider instead. Have a strong feeling that this will be another ugly piece looks like another copy of iJunk as the N1.

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http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/...r-474231-4.jpg

I thought that was just a joke. :D

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tadaaa

new nokia phone

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even if there was, they'd use Android, make no mistake about that. and once you've used one Android phone you've used them all.

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OMG!
I have that phone!
Finally someone posts a pic of an actual tele-phone....
Few remember the joy of rotary dial....
grrzzzziiikkk....takatakatakatakatakataktaktak-tak...

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if you enter an incorrect number you have to start all over again. Simply brilliant :D

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The above is the only stuff that's needed, the rest that you listed are unnecessary distractions (and indeed Nokia had already attempted some of them in the form of the short-lived Ovi)

For me the Ovi Store payment system that Nokia had (ie charged to your phone bill) worked better for me because:

a) I don't want to use a credit card
b) I was able to buy pre-paid sims at up to 80% discount on the stored values and use those to pay for apps (which effectively meant I was able to get up to 5 apps for the price of 1)

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You do realize it is not the brilliancy of the gadget that matters now. :D

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True that. The payment system worked perfect for me too. I remember buying most of my apps via phone bill. I also wish it gets implemented in other services soon too.

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April 26, 2015

"Nokia reaffirms it currently has no plans to manufacture or sell consumer handsets"

"Nokia reiterates it currently has no plans to manufacture or sell consumer handsets."

http://company.nokia.com/en/news/statements

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I have been told that Finland has a long tradition of paying via your phone bill stretching to long before smartphones or even camera phones were even invented. I heard that more than 15 - maybe even 20 - years ago you could use your phone to pay for such services as an automatic carwash. Can someone from Finland confirm?

With such a background, no wonder Nokia implemented it in their app store.

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http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94722
should do it
ovi store repos packages could only be downloaded manually for now

I'm waiting for Atari.

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They should explain that "mobile phones now are like rubber boots to us" :D

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Nokia's roots. They used to make rubber boots before they turned completely, forgot about them and started making mobile phones. History repeats itself.

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I'm not sure if it was 20 years so, but indeed it has been available for some services for really long time.

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and here, folks are testing payments via NFC and what not? Why is this not available today?

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So true.
(Dates have been rounded, obviously)

200,000BC: First people needed clothes.
199,000BC: Then spears.
198,000BC: Then bags.
190,000BC: Then boots.
8,000 BC: And before you know it everyone had a house.
7,000 BC: Then was furniture, kitchenware etc etc.
6,000 BC: Afterwards it was slaves.
4,000 BC: Now we had steel, and steel swords, making us apex predators against lions, bears, elephants
3,000 BC: Let's not forget the humble writing (paper/papyrus/pencil/pen).
A lot of minor inventions here, but collectively major advancements in civilization.
1700 AD: The next best thing was bicycles (if you didn't have a mare or horse or carriage).
1800 AD: And then it was having a lightbulb and power source.
1910 AD: Then it was cars.
1920 AD: And then it was radio.
1930 AD: And then the mighty television (and colour in 1970 and VHS in 1980).
1999: Then millions of small brilliant innovations later... we got the Nokia 3315.
2000: Came soon was the PS2 (250nm) with an unbelievable controller, graphics, and DVD player compatibility to keep us sane.
2001: The next big thing was a desktop computer with a +1.5GHz Pentium III (130nm), 64MB graphics card, 256MB RAM, 20GB HDD, and a 768p display. Ofcourse it had Windows XP, DVD burner, and Cable/ADSL connection to make us insane.
2011: Fast forward a bit, and the next best thing is the superphone starting with the iPhone 4, HTC One X, Samsung NOTE, Pantech Vega 6, and NOTE 3.


So look up there and be proud.
As long as you have your Nikes, Modern Clothes, Shoulder Bag, Spear*, Toyota Corolla*, HTC One X/iPhone 6* and a little furnished Loft with a Laptop, TV and PS2*... you will be all right.

I wonder what the next best thing will be. Otherwise, we might revert back to slavery.
(* or better like a GLOC, VW Golf R, PS4, SGS6/6+)

edit: Thanks, its fixed now. I did mean MB and not GB.