First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Sailfish 2.0 looks very very nice!
Although, there are some things that bothers me, like no swipe down to lock phone directly.
It brings you an ambiance (profile) select menu, where you can also click the lock button... :confused:

Another thing: Volume buttons are not tied to media volume anymore, unless there is an app running on the background that uses sound :confused:

No more triggered action covers... They are now just normal buttons... I thought sailfish was all about gestures and using phone in a different way? People might say: homescreen is horizontal now, so using the triggers might not work out << wrong! You can still use edge swipe to bring out the other homescreens.... So i dont know why they removed this nice feature at all..

Seems like many of those can be patched yes...
In other words, this is Sailfish OS 2.0:

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Works for me with QuasarMX, no idea about other apps, maybe them not using media resource properly.

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Finally! :D

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ahh got my hopes up thinking it was released.

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While I'm sure that context-aware volume control is a great addition that will be useful to many people, particularly phone users, I wouldn't mind if there was a setting that turned on/off context-aware volume control, as that would probably get annoying when I'm multitasking on the Jolla tablet.

Why should I need to stop what I'm doing (e.g. reading) and switch my focus to another app just to adjust volume when I can just use the volume buttons instead?

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

I don't know what are you talknig about, but volume buttons working same way as before: If music playing it control music, if not it control phone.

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Thanks for the clarification, coderus. I don't own a Jolla phone, so I was speculating based off of what I've read about this so far. I think I'll just stay quiet on this topic until I actually have the hardware in my hands. :p

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Well... At least the stock web browser is better than ever before.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Sorry for the confusion, I edited the first post to make it more clear what I mean


Nope, old behavior is "Always change media player sound, even when there is no app turned on that uses sound"
The volume buttons NEVER changed the ringtone sound on old sailfish versions.

You seems to be confused with harmattan.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

What about text wrap? The most missing feature for me :)

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You wrong, in Jolla volume buttons is always changing phone sound if no music/video plaing. Something wrong with YOUR phone, so please stop confusing people.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Text wrap is missing but I don't need that feature :P

The ringtone volume has never got affected by volume buttons.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

I must say I am quite dissatisfied with the new release, but I realize that it's just a preview/pre-release version, so it's early to jump to conclusions.

I was looking forward to following things in the new UI:

• Landscape support
• Controls in the Events view page
• Three-finger-swipe to change volume
• Being able to pin one app to the Partner space

None of those things are present in this version, so not much to be excited about.

There are some minor annoyances, that I expect to be solved soon:

• Phone wakes up very slowly after double tap
• No 'swipe to lock the phone' on the homescreen
• Weird covers for some apps - Gallery cover looked good before, but now it looks like some old Microsoft Surface showcase.
• Unless you have new notification, you cannot go to the Events view straight from the lock screen, even if you have the option enabled for the rest of the system.

There are some small good things too:

• Weather week view in the events view is a nice surprise.
• The annoying Google Maps zoom in bug (when the map would instead zoom all the way out) was finally fixed!

And then there is the ugly/weird stuff:

• Cover actions are a big mess, so their removal seems inevitable.
• I don't understand the unlocking animation when nothing happens, just the clock moves upwards. Why does it move upwards, when I'm unlocking from a side?? The whole animation looks confusing and not responsive, just adding to the double tap delay mentioned earlier. I'd much rather see similar animation to minimizing apps, so I could quickly glance at events or running apps, like I could in Sailfish 1.0.
• It's good they at least introduced left swipe as an access to events, but you can no longer go to events and then return to the previous app with one swipe. Notice that Sailfish is now the only mobile OS (AFAIK) that cannot go to notifications with one gesture and then return back to the previous app with another gesture. The flow is broken and it will be even more visible once controls are present in the Events view.
• It's great that menu is now accessible from everywhere, but without those 4 shortcuts on the homescreen, it is actually slower to use from there. What is the "sliding right below your finger" animation good for, when you cannot access anything until it slides all the way up?

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

for me, no update button in event view, to show tweet and fc notification, no swipe down to lock

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Nope, you're confusing people dude...
Maybe you have enabled some patch, because even with vanilla Sailfish OS it has only changed media volume instead of ringtone volume

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Which patch still working in 1.1.9?

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

I'm seriously thinking about not upgrading to 2.x if cover swipes are replaced by a stupid button. I really *need* PAUSE/PLAY and NEXT TRACK swipe gestures in media player, when I'm driving.

There's this Spanish saying: "Dura poco el pan en casa del pobre" (bread lasts few time in poor people's home), which means that good things seems to live for a too short time.

―I used to love Opera browser, even when it wasn't free software. But then it came this brainless fashion about minimalism and Opera muted to another Chrome clone. Let's hope Otter has success.
―It seems Mozilla Firefox is about to turn XUL and XPCOM off. One of the best Firefox features, its extensions, seriously limited. Amazing.
―Windows 8/10. I'm not a Windows user, but I've heard many of them missing Windows 7 or even XP interface and features.
―Same about Gnome desktop.
―GNU/Linux moving to SystemD/Linux. Nuff said.
―And, then, Sailfish being more and more "Like".

Idiocracy?

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Alright, I know I'm going to get slammed for this again, but I'll go ahead and say it: this was an entirely predictable situation, due to what I believe was a poor design choice on Jolla's part. In short:

The Jolla "Home Screen" tries to combine task-manager functionality with widget functionality. And it shouldn't.

It is a nice dream, one single screen that can do _everything_. The problem, of course, is that eventually everything tends to interfere with everything else; each app cover needs some level of interactivity in order to do widget-like functionality, but the home screen itself needs at least a few overall controls in order manage the running tasks, and you need still another level of interactivity in order to manage the various screens. Eventually, something's got to give.

Before now, Jolla got away with this by severely constraining the widget-like controls, and having a very minimalist system for moving between screens. Now that they've shifted to provide a more complex set of screens for the user, they've adapted the home screen by constraining the widget-like controls even further.

I still think the best way to remedy this situation is to separate the widget and task manager functions, freeing the various gestures back up again for their use in either role. Jolla could do this by making the home screen "modal" (switching between widget and task manager modes), or by creating a separate "widget screen" (much like the Dashboard in OS X)...

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Nice argumenting in this topic.
BTW, how's Android apps working in your Jollas? I have some weird problems with closing android apps and installing, but mainly they work just fine.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

I have yet to see the advantages in these changes. Correct me if I'm wrong:

1. Left/right swipe covers are not possible in Home screen, because that gesture is now asigned to EVENTS. Old events gesture was 'pull up'.

2. 'Pull up' gesture is now assigned to accessing APPS LAUNCHERS from everywhere. Before that, they were restricted to Home screen.

So, the deal is: we give swipe covers away and get, in exchange, apps running from everywhere. And I don't like it.

But I guess there's another reason: the infamous "partnership space". It's not easy to fit that thing into the 1.0 Events view.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

i have to agree with you Hthe B,,the new button cover actions are a real PITA ,,,they should rethink how to get back the old swipe cover action..

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Simple, just bring back the swipable cover action, and make 'changing homescreens' from the edge of the screen, like when minimizing apps :)

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That might work on the small phone screen because you can easily reach the screen edges with your thumb.
But what about larger screens on a tablet? You have to move your whole hand just to switch the views on the homescreen.

For me the new 2.0 UX is much better, because you can easily start apps from everywhere and don't have to deal with focus stealing (i.e. you can easily start multiple apps in a row).

I don't like the new cover action buttons. But it seems to be the only real solution for now. I would add a small delay to those buttons, because I tend to miss-click them even I like to open the app instead of executing a cover action.

For media player: You can now control it right on the lock-screen. Very nice.

There are some things that could be better:
* return to app, when events view opened by swipe action
* let app stay open, if device was locked from within a app
* better audio-app detection, to control volume - in Chrome, I have to actually start a video to be able to reduce/increase the volume level, which could be very annoying, if you would like to watch it silently or something.

The new lock mechanism (open top menu and click on lock icon) is something I can live with.


I really like the new UX (have it now running since a few days) - some things could be done better, but for me there is nothing to whine about ('I will not upgrade' shittalk).

It's really going in the right direction.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Maybe both of you aren't talking about the same thing; Coderus is talking about the volume in the earpiece and you talk about the ringing volume.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Please, if you have no idea what you're talking about, don't talk about it.

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(I have not yet tested the new UI (hopefully availlable monday?), so this comment is only about the principle, not my experience with it.)

I have not understood why they have gone this way, and don't see why you find it better.
I mean : the OS is designed around multitasking, so having apps opened at all time. So opening apps should happen only sometimes.
On the other hand, being able to check notifications from everywhere makes more sense. I open apps a few times a day, but constantly get notifications about calls, mails,twitts, sofware updates...
Also, a lot of apps are opened as dependancies of other. like the browser when following a link in a tweet from the events view, or the contacts lists when adding a new contact that just called from the call log. So having the 4 most used app as direct shortcut below the home screen was actually good. The other apps are usually opened from these 4 or from the events.

Don't know if it is just my usage, but it feels strange. I will see when the update is there if I get used to it.

It has always felt like too limited in the previous version : It needs 3 buttons to control the media player: back, play/pause, next, not just 2. There is no way to quickly start/stop data or gps in the settings app cover (the kind of simple widgets I had back in symbian). And as the cover are always moving (each time you open an app at the end of the homescreen, it gets back first, moving all others), it takes some focus to search where the cover is to interact with it. It has to be compared to a widget that is always at the same place (the one you chose!), so that your hand can learn to use it without thinking.

In this new version, it is even more limited, and hard to use as you point out (remember all the talk about why buttons suck), but it is not possible to do better due to the changes of gestures for the homescreen.
I can see only one solution: get rid of them totally, and get back to an harmattan like multi-task only view.
The media player controls would fit better in the lockscreen and event screen, the shortcuts for data/gps in the event view. As it is done for months thanks to patches.

I am looking forward to test this in the coming week.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

You can enable "left swipe" to show the Notifications even when you're in an app.
So it went from bottom, to the left side :p

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I don't want to start any (another one) SystemD/SysVinit/Upstart flame war. But there is many people complaining about SystemD overunning GNU/Linux ecosystem. Some of them know what they're talking about.

And I know Sailfish runs SystemD; but I was talking about PCs and servers.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

in SFOS 2.0 (1.1.9) you can do that by push on the Button Pause/Play and skip to next track... only change is to push on the app card and no swipe anymore.


i love SFOS 2.0... and yes some is missing yet... and yes it needs some patches :) but the performance is very nice!

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Evolution and progress :rolleyes:

I suppose the potential Sailfish OS hardware partners will not accept the OS to differ much from android and will grab a chance in 2.0 to push more "Like".
Jolla will have to hold steady to please the fans of the 1st hour and not reduce Sailfish to a launch platform for Android apps.

Did Sailfish OS 2.0 address the issue of only having 9 minimized multitask overview windows?

It was a little bit annoying to have to long press for the "close all" window to get an overview of the open applications.

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Yes, you can now see more than just 9 apps in the multitasking overview.

And those app covers do not re-sort when you open an app. They stay in the order in which they where started until you manually reposition them.

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Yes, all covers are now visible and you scroll them vertically. Just for the sake of testing I opened 24 apps, and all are visible.

They have done something to the oom killer also, because all of the 24 apps stay open and none was killed. There was also some memory hogs like the browser and a couple of Android apps. UI is still quite smooth, some small lags here and there. Apps become more laggy, so I can't recommend having this much stuff open :)

Edit: Browser still doesn't seem to keep more than 3 tabs in memory though, even after I closed all the other apps.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Hands on :
I hate the side swipe on the lockscreen(bottom up was way better);
I love the side-switch to task manager(n9 ui ftw)
I am ok with having the apps accessible always from the bottom;
Finally a statusbar :)

Bottomline: it feels like an iphone, ui wise...
Yes, the old ui was maybe too sequential; but they could have kept the unlocking with a Swipe-up, no? And then maybe replace the useless ambience side-swipe switcher with task screen.

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Interesting! Could you run these few memory usage related commands and post the output ? Thanks in advance! :)

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--> http://textuploader.com/ac9uk
(I upgraded the system yesterday from .23 to .28 - in case the has an influence on the output)

EDIT: v.28, sorry, thanks @nieldk

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

there is now a version .28

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It's probably just the covers that stay visible though, if you try to open the oldest started app it will likely already have been killed at some point so it will need to start again. Which is fine for me, as I don't need to keep rearranging the covers every time some app is killed.

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Any changes?

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Updates to gallery, contacts, accounts, audio, browser, zypper, lipstick and Android stuff (even if you don't have Android stuff). Let's see!

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nothing visible

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