Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Marc D leaving the ship. should I get worried?

Re: Jolla tablet countup to delivery[Now With Poll]
 

Chuck Norris shouldn't worry.

Re: Jolla tablet countup to delivery[Now With Poll]
 

Yeah! Worry should get Chuck Norris!

Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Or should I say left! Big surprise and looks to be confirmed now. If there was someone I thought would be there to the end it was Marc.

Met him at the launch event and he was a truly inspiring speaker. I didn't see him as the captain of the Jolla ship, more THE ship.

Wish him well in whatever he moves to.

Mod edit:
Corrected thread title

Re: Marc Dillon leaving Jolla
 

That surprises me!

Re: Jolla tablet countup to delivery[Now With Poll]
 

Ha at first I thought you were comparing Jolla to Commodore. I still have a couple Amigas hanging around from the 80s. That was a company with potential that messed up. I hope Jolla does better.

Re: Marc Dillon leaving Jolla
 

What happened??!
:/

This is seriously a bad news to Jolla....
Reminds me of the N9 story....

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Total surprise for me too. Founders often do move on fairly quickly once past the excitement of a startup and perhaps the direction of the company changes so perhaps it's just that.

It does however feel like Jobs left Apple rather than Woz.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

I think that something bad is going at Jolla.
Normally, they would write a blog, a tweet, or whatever to announce it... But there is nothing to be found...

Pretty sure some nda sh*t is going on why they can't tell the reason of his leaving... but I would love to hear from Dillon itself about this...

I know that Dillon really gave his heart on Jolla... And leaving the company even before the tablet is released?........

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Actually, the most harrowing days for the tablet are in the rear-view mirror. The problems with the display must have had folks at Jolla pulling their hair out. :) But they've managed to get past that, put together a device, and finally get all the pieces in place to get it shipped out. Sure, there has been some last-minute wrangling with logistics, but for all intents and purposes, the tablet is now done.

So, Jolla now has two examples of devices running Sailfish, and they've even netted their first licensee for the OS. At this point, they've pretty much got what they need to sell their product; now, they just need to start making contracts with manufacturers.

I kind of wonder if maybe this is why Dillon is leaving at this point. Jolla is actually kind of well-positioned to start becoming a fairly large concern, and maybe he prefers the freedom of the tiny startup... Anyway, just my own musings here.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Just to be clear, both Jobs and Woz left Apple. :) It's just that eventually Jobs came back...

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Way too surprising for my morning ... Are we to wittness kinda Nokiasque meltdown in Jolla?

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Well something is up. The news was all over my twitter feed and now all evidence is gone. NDA? Marcs feed has been quiet for days as hs the official channel.

Re: Jolla tablet countup to delivery[Now With Poll]
 

Really? That's not how the now deleted tweets explained it.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

There's no Elop, there's no Microsoft, their managers seem to be invested in the company and not only their titles and there's no Symbian hoarding all of the R&D investments despite being a potential dead end while resting on their laurels thinking that they've cornered a market and were too big to lose.

No. Not another Nokia.

Marc Dillon's future endeavors might/might not include Jolla, but he was one of the founders with a vision of a startup that could release a device, change the way people saw how devices could be made, even sold and above all that it should be different and open enough to encourage other tinkerers, hackers and other fringe groups that feel left out of the Android and iOS race that's either under "Big Brother Google" or "closed platform/garden Apple" that none of us felt like we wanted to be a part of...

Yet, here we are, talking about Jolla some years after the fact, with a phone released with still incoming updates and a tablet that's ready to be shipped sometime very soon with an updated version of their Sailfish OS. You cannot say that much about most other companies at this moment that want to do any combination of my last paragraph. Neo900? Not yet delivered some 2+ years since I've seen it's first mention. And that "freedom" comes on an seriously underpowered, resistive, lower quality screen will cost you 4-5 Jolla smartphones. And it's still not yet available.

InvestorEye seems to match what he (and others) did while at Jolla. Find money, understand a demographic, talk to the engineers and thinkers, get them involved, get them talking and perhaps get some people investing.

With all of the layoffs just in Finland due to Nokia/Microsoft, it's not like there's a dearth of talent, capability and ideas. No... why not seed enough "think different/do different" mentality while making sure those minds do not go to Google, Apple or worse. It's what the Americans and Russians did with the German scientists during WW2 - take the best minds, fund them, watch the world change.

Am I speculating? Yep. Do I think Jolla is on its deathbed? Nope. If I were to speculate based solely on this forum, Jolla would have been dead at least 8 times, sold/reinvented as Nokia Jr. and running a bastardized version of a terminal only phone to make the geeks happy. Yeah... I don't think it works like that at all.

And I'm a serious outsider looking in. I have no true connections to Jolla, never tried their phone, ordered their tablet and if anything, I can see what niche needs to be filled. Perhaps Marc Dillon is doing just what I said, doing what I think he's doing... because it's sensible.

Sorry for the long post. Just tired of seeing doom and gloom whereas I see opportunity and a way to expand the horizons for the possibly disenfranchised yet incredibly intelligent folks in Finland that might bring a change that a huge corporation like Nokia might have never allowed.

Exciting times we live in... if you decide to look at it like that.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Thanks to Cybette, and Jolla, for confirming Mr. Dillon left.

Now. A clarification, from my side, to Cybettes words.

As a company, Jolla can not say much more, at least without the concent from Mr. dillon.

Jolla can tell Mr. Dillon left.

Jolka can not, without the concent from Mr. Dillon, tell why or where Mr. Dillon left. That, is soleky a decision of Mr. Dillon as of if and when he wants to announce that.

This, is called protection of the individual rights, and is something we should all respect.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

It all feels not right here and I am to speculate that something not good is going on inside Jolla.
Marc Dillon was the most passionate and vocal Jolla representative, seemed full of energy and very supportive of the idea. To quit silently, stepping back from the venture he put his hearth into past several years, a venture so fragile and in such dire odds of survival - this is not the man he presented himself to be. So parts do not click for me.

And giving Jolla due credit for what they are trying to do is one thing, but honestly - they have just set foot out of the camp and they have mountains higher than Everest to climb ahead of them. They launched an OS with great potential and released 2 mediocre devices - this is far, far away from becoming an viable option in the mobile world.
Just my point of view.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Rumour has he is being sent to Samsung as a Jolla mole.

Samsung has a burning platform going (or meltdown if you prefer) with its piss pants to keep warm strategy of Android and failure to launch Tizen. Now their flagship phone is not selling good enough (not enough grooowwwth) and they are at their most vulnerable.

Marc will enter the ship with his Jolla boat and leave back to to Jolla when the Koreans have switched all mobile product line to Sailfish and moved their production plants to Finland :D

Later thousands of pages of airport bookshop business strategy lecture will be written about the small Jolla boat entering and capturing the juggernaut Samsung.

And the original Jolla fans will be looking for another independent small and privacy friendly OS..

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

The most interesting part is what about his sailfish tattoo =)

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Ohhh that's worse than having an ex girlfriends name :D

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

I wished I could give more than 1 thanks to you for this post. It's really crazy how some people try to see the end of Jolla because of that loss...are we Apple fans who define a company through a human leader? I hope not! Marc leaving is certainly a shocking suprise. He always appeared as an adventurer to me, someone who seeks challenge after challenge and maybe he needed a new one to make full use of his talents. Ubuntu phone design lead Ivanka Majic also left Canonical for the personal ambition to co-found some green tech company.

Jolla has many, many talented, competent people in every division of the company who fight for their ideas and for the "unlike" of Jolla. There are not only people leaving the company, but also joining it, like some fantastic UX-design people.

I hope to hear a statement from Marc and until then we can only speculate. But will this hurt Jolla as a company? No, I don't believe so at all...

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

I fail to see how this is a surprise to anyone. Marc's in the prime earning potential part of his career (certainly regarding being involved in young companies that might make it big), and it's patently obvious that Jolla is going absolutely nowhere quick.

I was never hugely sold on him (or any of the executive team), but he can clearly find employment elsewhere in the tech sector that will bring him far more financial and tangible success than Jolla is likely to in the forseeable future, and be far better for his career. For someone like him, staying on too long at at a company like Jolla can be quite damaging to both reputation and career prospects.

Best of luck to him.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Maybe this is a better forum than TJC

IMHO, the most important fact is that Carsten Munk (stskeeps) and the developers are still around.

Announcing a product and creating some hype is one thing - an important thing which Marc Dillon did great. However, meeting the expectations thus created is another thing. We all know that we seek for a great OS and great devices running the OS. Meeting our expectations is a tough task that is managed quite well by Jolla.

Off course, I am as impatient as everybody here around. I want my up to date Jolla 2 that I can use one-handed even with my small hands, I want system-wide copy/paste I want ... I want it all and I want it now ...

I am still confident that I will get it one day - because I see the constant output coming from Jolla - thanks to all those who develop every day (and night?).

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Well maybe it's just because Jolla is shipping in a direction he doesn't like. Remember the decision of Jolla not to produce hardware anymore. Maybe there was an internal argue about the future direction. I think if Marc thinks, that hard- and software belong together, that could be a reason for moving on.

But that doesn't mean, that Jolla is a sinking ship. It only means, that Jolla made a principal decision, which Marc isn't willing to accept.

...just speculation of course... :o

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Marc speaking tomorrow on HardwareHEL presents: Dawn of The Devices

https://twitter.com/HardwareHEL/stat...31837679620096

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Topic sounds in line with what Marc said in 2014: Jolla is about the future of mobile. Alliances of companies instead of one or two large companies dominating the market.
If he still believes that it is normal that he decides to go where those alliances are best to be forged.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Who knows, maybe all those personal changes in Jolla will finally result in a positive change in regards of more openness, open sourcing of more (ar even all!) closed parts, more community involvement, public bugzilla, etc. ?

Or the exact opposite might happen. :P

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Before changes: this is the plan for the Jolla tablet, our next project. It is just a dream but we want to make it people powered by the Jolla community. Tell us what you want and we will do everything we can to make it happen...(as long as it involves that tablet)

After changes: you tell us what you want and we will do everything we can.

?

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Yeah, and maybe Marc will be the new project lead of Ubuntu Phone... :-)

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

I highly doubt that. Either that he'd go or they'd want him.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

TechCrunch has an article out on Marc Dillon leaving Jolla:

http://techcrunch.com/2015/09/08/mar...on-sails-away/

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

The difference I hope for is that it may actually happen. Not just "soon" but really.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

The world doesn't need another tablet / phone spying on its users.

So there is certainly place for "Sailfish Secure".

Hope Antti Saarnio continues to take the lead and makes that happen so that Sailfish is being used by those governments and corps that are looking to build a leak free fleet of devices based on this OS.

https://cdn.jolla.com/wp-content/upl...CURE_FINAL.PDF

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Certainly not related to the Marc's departure, but you can't buy the Jolla phone anymore on the Jolla web site.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

You can: http://shop.jolla.com/eu_en/cat-joll...-edition.html/

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Off Topic:
Thanks, I'll pass on that one ;-)
I wonder how many of these "Angry Birds Stella Versions" have been sold?
Target audience seems to be a niche group within the niche of Sailfish users...

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

(Topicality questionable depending on whether you believe the phones' availability and Marc's departure are connected or not.)

The normal one is also available: http://shop.jolla.com/eu_en/cat-jolla/jolla-1.html

My internet connection was very sporadic last week and I did not bother checking if the reports of the phones being "out of stock" were true or greatly exaggerated but it seems to be back to normal now.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

No Pichlo, it's not. Go to the Jolla.com web site, click on Store, and you get only the Tablet, nothing more.

I guess it has been made a bit quick and dirty to remove the phone by deleting some web links. So of course, with a direct access you can still see the page, but with a normal browsing, that's not possible.

It may be a mistake on their side tough.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Um, actually, you can get to the phone section of the store by simply clicking on the "Shop Jolla Smartphones and Accessories" link near the upper right-hand side of the page.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

My mistake guys, you're right.