Microsoft's Windows Phone Platform Is Dead
 

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Dead with 2% market share? Where does thay put Jolla, then? ;)

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Zombie like?

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i like windows phone, cause it is different from others. if i didnt have opportunity to get salfish os i would choose Windows phone, at least for UI and feeling. even if i would be sad since is quite as closed as apple's os. However, i would be sad if it should die, firstly because the more competitors are there, the better for consumers.

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You want to feel special?

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no, but i dont like buttons and old same stuff. button every where, just dislike it. Wp (i refer to old version) have Pivot menu and not that shitty hamburger menu and also have some swipe features. Live tiles are much more better than icons, and for example dyncal by fravaccaro (wich i really like as concept) isnt so much different than concept of live tile (an icon that update itself). Coverview is instead an evolution of that concept. I don't need to buy product to feel special, i am special on my own :)

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hmmmmmmm......... for me, that UI is absolute mess

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Their pureview camera is extremely good. I am ok with the apps I can find in Lumia.

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Differences between people idea/opinions do make everybody special, don't they?

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My big stop in using Windows Mobile is that is too much closed for my taste

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Closed system is ok with me:) I admit windows phone does no have as beautiful ui as sailfish. Having a DSLR-like phone camera is so much fun. I can say no to carrying dedicated camera while holidaying, and it will not make me look like a tourist.

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i dont use camera so frequently, so i dont care too much about it. I must admit that the one of jolla is very crappy. i would like to have a camera just like lumia 735, wich i have got. it is enough for me.

Instead i personally consider opennes of os more important than camera. a curiosity (without any sense of polemics), if you are so ok with closed os, why did you come here? i mean, others OS (like IOS, android, WP) are much more mature than sailfish.

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My sister-in-law used a Lumia 1020 for a while but finally gave up for lack of "apps". I assume she meant retailer-specific coupon generators and other quick-n-dirty website viewers that everybody wants to cram on your phone. Me, I saw that as its best feature. Well, maybe second best after the camera. Since then, she's gone through two Android handsets both of which had too little storage for all the wonderful things she had to install.

Now the only two people I know with Windows phones are a couple where one spouse actually working for Microsoft.

I can see why a 2% share would be a disappointment for them, especially if you compare it to their share of the desktop/laptop market.

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So weird to see Windows in the position of no apps, I remember long ago nontechnical people would say Linux has no apps and wne was made to help them. Now people go to Android as Windows has no apps.

In my opinion no phone is DSL-R like by any stretch. Phone cameras do vary widely in quality though. I like phone cameras as it is a camera one always has with them a DSL-R can be a big distracting thing to lug around all the time. A phone can be a good enough point an shoot camera. The Jolla camera is horrible IMHO.

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Glad you asked little Billy!

Why...
With this famous guy about 8ft down from 2%...

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/...20130426024253

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Technically, if it's dead but doesn't know/accept, then it's a revenant. Best not to mess with those. You cannot kill that which is already dead. Sailfish fhtagn!

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Pining for the fjords. And besides, the Finnish Keira Black prefers keeping on its back.

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Dead or not, lately Microsoft is doing something that has my attention and is in place at my office per my request - Continuum. I've removed 4 of my PM laptops and replaced them with 4 Microsoft 950XL's and the Continuum dock and oddly enough, their productivity has increased.

I personally thought it was a gimmick. But it hit a few use cases for people in my organization that I cannot quickly replicate with less than savvy users in other platforms without some training.

Windows Phone was never going to have a massive market share. Their app gap deficiency is only second to perhaps Jolla. Folks want certain apps for their social media that are more convenient than say using the mobile versions via a browser.

With that said... are they dead? Perhaps. But if they were to only get/keep 2% of the market, that's sizable enough for some companies out there. Just sad that the company happens to be Microsoft, which inherited these devices via Nokia with a mobile OS that was thrust upon them by Elop.

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I wonder how Lumiaman is taking this news?

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I think I just heard a mosquito......
Was that you, Jolla?

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Except you can run Android apps on your Jolla and that's a better situation than the lack lustre native Windows apps if they exist at all.

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So jolla native apps are better? Really?

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Very true.

But in the end, I was really talking about 3rd party support but I was not clear about that - my apologies. Without Android support installed - which is something the purists seem to love to proclaim they'll never do - out of the box experience for Windows Phone and for Jolla are somewhat limited in those areas.

With Android, that perceived app gap is lessened on Sailfish. But the 3rd party support is still sorely lacking on both WP and Sailfish natively.

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So,

Some of us (I did!) bought a Nokia _linux_ phone (n900) wayyyyy back then
which has outlasted the entire span of Microsoft's Nokia Elopement.
Has anyone explained to him what a complete m0r0n he was ?

My n900 still rings, it is still my primary go-to phone and I still answer it :p

(How many is 'some of us' ? I wonder...)


Awesome :D

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Same here (except that primary part: thanks to Jolla's stupidest decision ever, I had to cut my SIM card to an incompatible format and am stuck with Jolla as my primary phone). But I fail to see any relevance between that and OP's point. I have lots of friends and relatives who have not jumped on the "smart" phone bandwagon and are still using their 15 years old Nokias. They also still ring etc. So what?

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Me too. Me too!

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I am still owning a windows phone with Nokia logo, as mentioned above I love the camera and Nokia's design and build (Not the latest Microsoft Lumia, they are ugly) and I can sync with Xbox live. In general I don't like the OS, not for "app gap" but the OS itself is not smart and inefficient. For example I keep all my photos on a large SD card since 808 time but that's messed by the stupid OS, it generates a lower res duplicate copy and creates a few GBs of junk and I can only view the super lower res photos on it. What a joke! The 808 with 512mb ram does a much better job!

Unlike mainstream medias I found the apps are more than enough, I only need apps which can not obtain on web, like WhatsApp or WeChat, these are good enough. I can't understand what they are missing. I found every app I used on other platform, and some even better (like Youtube without ads) Folks get cheated by these stupid social media.

I feel more sad with the dying of BB10, which in my opinion, was the best mobile OS which is (was) on the market. Great UI, efficient, secure. It also support Dalvik runtime so there shouldn't have any so called app gap (unless you are die hard to use google service), for OS itself it better than WP in my opinion, but sadly it's also dying.

Just a few years ago we have new devices of Maemo, MeeGo, Symbian, BB10, and now plus WP and maybe SFOS, less and less survival margin for non Android and iOS mobile OS.

I have been using BB priv for almost 3 months and I just hate android now. Can't find any point better than BB10 and maybe wp. And I don't use those 1.5M bloody apps.

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.....and still, I would gladly take everything from their store for everything from jolla store.

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Rarely.

My point was that on a Jolla you have the option of using Android apps and usually the Android app is better supported than a Windows app. Often the app developer creates a Windows app but then it's not updated in line with the Android or iOS version.

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I am not sure if I understand your meaning, might be language barrier here?
Do you mean to say that in the Windows application store there is better range of applications than in the Jolla store?

I have actually not found that to be true. I only have some applications that I really need badly, and one of those is for example the Jolla native "Working Hours Tracker" which I use at work.
Brilliant application, and nonesuch exists for WP.

The problem of the WP platform is not the UI which is after all just an UI. (I generally find all user interface stuff uninteresting and of relatively little relevance to anything.)

• The problem is that the platform is closed and you have to use is "as-is", you cannot DO anything to it or with it.
  The development tools if they even exist are alien and run on unfamiliar and largely unusable platforms.
• User data is not available on the device in any recognizable format, all is hidden away and the device is just a front-end for some proprietary cloud storage which makes it difficult and sometimes impossible to get it out of the device
• It is impossible to run any kind of development environment in the device, how are you supposed to extend it by yourself? There is no command line at all!

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when it comes to platform, I totally agree. Otherwise I would have one.

But when it comes to apps........ well, different people, different needs. And different habits. But generally, IMO, theres much more useful things in WP store than in harbor. Not that I care, but there is whatsup, viber, skype (for that I do care a bit) and bunch of other stuff with closed APIs. There's more than one proper navigation.
Sometimes I'm stuck somewhere and I would like to kill time with games, again, not much in harbor but plenty over there.
So, yes, I think that there's better selection.

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Again, matter of habit & taste.

I have no intrest nor need for the "sozial-media" apps.
As for games, Jolla store has Heebo and that is all I need :D

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was dead long ago before that guy announced it.

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Windows Phone is dead, long live Windows 10 Mobile.

This says it all.
As per the Surface Phone, it was known that the Lumia branding would end once Microsoft integrated all the Nokia's acquisition within their way of doing things and the Lumia 950 and 950XL were among the latest phones on the branding, latest remnants of the Nokia era, something in between Nokia and Microsoft.
What many call a beta hardware, beta devices, not ready for the mass either in hardware or in software.

Whilst that may be true (Win 10 Mobile is new to the scene and a full replacement for Windows Phone OS, and these are the first MS phones after a long time), it is also clear that now Microsoft is at the dawn of a new era.
Both company-wise (a much nicer post-Ballmer MS is in front of us) and software wise (Windows OS with its 10th incarnation, is a very good contender in the OS market and runs on a wide variety of devices, which neither Android or iOS can do [don't forget that Android on a Tablet runs, but that's it, there are very few apps who take full advantage of the big screen and Android doesn't go on laptops or desktops and that Apple has two different OSes, iOS and Mac OS X) we can see a much stronger base on which there's much they can do and I am sure they will.

Having a strong OS that can run on such a diversity of devices with developers having to write the app only once (with 'responsive' UIs) and with the possibility of finally have a true integration , I am positive and looking forwards to what else they'll pull out of it that neither Apple or Google right know can do.

Let's not forget, also, that Microsoft is the only company out of those three, who, not only owns now a very nice and stable ecosystem, but keeps developing A LOT on competing platforms.
They don't see them as competing indeed, which is something that both Apple and Google, instead, do.

All of these points, make Microsoft a very dangerous company (for them) and I am sure neither Apple or Google believe a single word of what is written in that article.

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I do not have windows phone, but I suspect that with bigger market share (than Jolla), more device manufacturers and more marketing money, you also get more 3rd party developers to provide applications for yopur platform. So no doubt windows phone has more of the "essential" applications supported (facebook, whatsup, skype, ..) than Sailfish.

If Jolla phone would have had 2% market share, I believe Jolla would not have had the latest financial crises and Sailfish might also have more native 3rd party applications, especially from the "big names" like Facebook.

If the Intex phone comes out and succeeds to sel enough so that Intex keeps cranking up more Sailfish OS phones, the situation might get better. Especially if more manufacturers come up with Sailfish phones.

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But is it any good? Am I in control or just a passenger on for a ride...?

Yes, thought so.

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In control of the OS?
Yeah, like Sailfish right?
Thought so...

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Exactly, like SFOS.

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Just for what Microsoft did to Nokia, I could never use one of their phones again.

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That's partly true. But it's Nokia's directors themselves who hired Elop and adapting Windows, they are not confident with their own product. It's Nokia's choice that made them disappear.