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Yep... looks like this is true indeed as they've switched from Android to Sailfish OS.

For the uninitiated, Turing Phones were the ones with the "Liquidmorphium" liquid metal alloy that promises to be tougher than steel.

First link is the announcement from this morning. Second link is the website for Turing - which has yet to be updated with the newly announced Sailfish portion(s).

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Of things talked about here which are not talked about as nicely anymore... or at least how I used to remember this community, this is some good news.

if I go down the route of needing a new mobile, this rises near the top of that listing.

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$600? too pricey for me :(

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very nice design, small bezel!! If only the camera licenses Pureview

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Does anybody license PureView?

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Great news. Unfortunitly the jolla news was not full refund so I won't spend a cent on Jolla until they fully refund all supporters.

And I suggest you do the same! They can TAKE OUR MONEY but they can't take OUR FREEEEDOM!

(Just watched braveheart)

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thats great! apart for the 5.5 inches screen. but i appreciate the direction and the strategy of licensing could just work.

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Great news and truly looks amazing! Probably the best HW so far running sailfish.

However there are 2 aspects I will concern if I will buy it:

- Non-removable battery. They seem advertising strong and robust build quality and material, but it not useful if the battery degenerates and can't be removed. (unless dissassembled, of course, then it won't be easy to find battery replacement.)

- Lack of SD expansion (or am I missed that? I did not see it)

But it really looks promising, that is THE DEVICE we are waiting for!

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Removable battery on Jolla was also unlike, since you couldn't buy (original) batteries for it at all...

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i am astonished by the fact they drop off android. they not offer possibility to choose, they choose sailfish, this is great

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That Ubuntu Edge phone design is great as well! Hopefully Intex copies that design!

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This could be a scam.

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does anbody care?

5.5" on this one....... and very bold design. I like it a lot and definitely will consider it. If nothing, so that Dave can continue with whining. :D

edit: hmmmmmmm....... don't like the lack of micro USB

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5,5 inch the best thing with this device! And that it a Ubuntu edge clone. Like the design.

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this is also waterproof :) let's sail with phone..

http://www.theverge.com/2015/7/18/89...nds-on-preview

you'll be able to preorder the Turing Phone starting July 31st for $610 (16GB), $740 (64GB), or $870 (128GB). 10,000 of them will be made to start.


there is also a bad point for me: it is entirely produced by foxconn.
i think i would prefer a phone just like fairphone2, less exclusive but consistent with the sailfish os philosophy

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Refund backers before 31st of July and I buy it. Deal Jolla? Can this be a follow up scam?

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The article is from last year ;)

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But that gives you the option to use HTC 310's battery or whatever similar, or even share the 2nd phone's battery. Non-removable = gradually dies...

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these guys are about privacy and encryption. so does this mean sfos will feature that?

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i know. i copy pasted it only because there are beautiful image of (prototype) of product and some info about prices.


i have just read online that liquidblabla contains lot of nickel, maybe it would be a problem for some of consumers, since it is a very important trigger of allergy

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Gradually dies = income security for manufacturer.

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Interesting... if they already have taken preorders, can they really drop Android completely like that?

Device itself certainly looks different from everything else. If it's as strong as they claim, it surely is interesting choice. If it only was smaller in size....

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I was talking about original/official batteries...

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Jolla phone has SDcard, removable battery, MicroUSB which this phone does not have, even Microsoft current flagship Lumia 950/XL has all things I mentioned above!

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why still that obsession with removable batteries? Powerpacks are dirty cheap. And I actually don't have to switch of the phone. And they are small enough so I can easily charge in a back pack or some bigger pocket. Also, modern batteries last longer then the phone itself. And most of them can be replaced when needed. Not by average Joe but....
And lack of micro USB...... Isn't it mandatory within EU? Or at least they should provide some adapter.

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Things of interest for me - the hardware has (proper) NFC and a fingerprint sensor, both of which will need support added in SFOS. And then the magsafe thing which may just be USB in disguise, if not then that will need some adaptation and UI love too. Oh and BT4 BLE mentioned, which will disappoint anyone trying to use it in an android app unless that gets fixed too.

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With another battery, swap and reboot with in 1-2 minutes I have 100% juice back and I don't have to prepare a large pocket and tailing some extra power tank and can't move the device freely.

For your statement for battery, I'm afraid it's not true. current Lithium ion battery the charge lifecycle is less than 3000 times, when you get 500 charges you will lose about 30% capacity. With your usage with portable charger, assume you change twice a day, your battery will be 70% after 8 month's use. Unless it uses another kind of metal ion which as far as I can tell, has not been commercialised in any manufacturers.

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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Ha ha. Ha.

Sorry for the off topic.

The device looks nice. But if I were a backer, I'd be worried that they're still talking about "dropping Android" while giving "2 month" release estimates. I bet they're going to miss that deadline too.

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A bit sceptical commentary on the Turing announcement:

http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/02...-2016-promise/

Hopefully Turing will eventually make a great Sailfish phone,

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@javis...
hahahaha...made me laff man...

for me I don't care if the phone was made of unobtainium ...

no card slot? ...nuh-uh...
dubious mention of dropping android?...(concrete "dropping" or "have dropped" please)....nuh-uh...
non-replaceable battery? ...nope...no thank you...not interested..

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Sure, but where will they get the tape ? That's usually the biggest issue.

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Also this thing will have a fingerprint reader, meaning will sfos also be supporting that? meaning nexus 5x wont be all useless in terms of fingerprintness

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Now this is the question I originally had. We know about hall sensors and the like; but not a finger print reader and how it will store your information (on the device, secured perhaps?) like other so-called secured systems?

There's other things but in the end, sorta glad to see a much more modern take on what a handset might be in 2015 or so as opposed to long-held options from 2010 or so.

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Just becouse the hw support it...the software might not. From release or ever.

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You might have a point; however if they're converting over the people that's already pre-purchased from Android to Sailfish, you'd think there would be some parity in features.

That's the smart thing to do. Now, let's see if they're smart.

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Why no official word from Jolla?

Delays...strange changes...failed promises..scam 2.0...cancelled? Deja Vu, anyone?

http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/02...-2016-promise/

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3GB :cool:

"Sailfish OS is now running perfectly on the Turing Phone" :eek:

https://freakxohbingo.de/bundles/bingo/img/6.svg

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Please fix your image. Can't see it.

Simply don't trust it :D

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Reading thru some of the comments in other places around the web about this, I wonder if there's something of a hurdle with Android going forward that contradicted what Turing was no longer able to do.

What if Turing...
- noticed that later version of Android while more secure, didn't fit their model of security promised/promoted
- noticed they had a technical ability to write an Android engine (a Davlik variant if you will) but had trouble with Google Play APIs
- saw Sailfish OS as an option where they didn't have to do as much work with the UI layer, but could lend a security focus and be differentiated from other mobile device/service security-focused companies with decent media coverage or delivery

In a sense, using a (somewhat) polished platform that could use the good-will and security focus to create opportunities for both.

Risks...
- not delivering the device on time
- losing internal folks who might have had such the emotional/technical attachment to Android that it basically stopped addressable work
- putting said device(s) w/SailfishOS in the hands of folks who might have the reputation for attention, but not a favorable opinion or history with SailfishOS or similar open source mobile platforms
- losing whatever application store support (as the note seems to indicate they have something different than what Jolla has been running with - which makes sense)

Opportunity
- Amazon is reportedly getting back into the phone game and could see a secure phone with a distinct operating system as the right/suitable conduit to get into markets which might not be as up on security, but are up to speed on being quick for short-term cash

All in all, makes for some interesting conjecture when you start playing a role of reading tea leaves. But, what's needed here is a cup to put the hot water into, not just a pleasant breeze.

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I hope it is true, but I remain quite sceptical.

My bet is that it is a vaporware. That being said, my conclusion has nothing to do with their SailfishOS announcement - even with Android, it looks to me like another Ubuntu Edge. The first time I saw some info on this last year, my first thought was 'vaporware' - once I hear "liquid metal", "saphire glass", "e-ink thin as a paper you can write on" from some company that has never released any device and announces plans to release it in a unrealistic timeframe, it raises a flag.

The worst case scenario is that is is indeed a vaporware and Jolla falls for it, in a situation where they take any interest from a potential licenser as a life saver.

Some additional inconsistences were already mentioned by others:

• No news from Jolla - even if you blame Jolla for imperfect communication, they were always careful to synchronize press releases with their partners.
• Sensors and fingerprint reader support. Especially fingerprint authentication support is not a trivial thing and I doubt that Jolla is in a position where they would be able to implement it in two months. Plus if it is such a low level stuff, there should be some clues in Mer source code already (maybe they are, I haven't checked).
• If they were to go with Android initially and were able to sell it to customers as a privacy solition, what would be the point of ditching all effort on this and going with a system that is likely unknown to their current customers (pre-orders)?
• Even though I really enjoy using SailfishOS, I don't think it is currently on a level where it can get security certifications. I may be wrong, though, as there is a working solution for encrypted calls (from a third party, as mentioned on Twitter by its author, some company even sells Jolla phones equipped with this software as a encrypted phone solution). And it has been a year since Sailfish Secure was announced, so maybe things have changed.
• The press release cannot be found on their official website and they still list Android in the specs. You are preparing a phone for almost a year and you cannot wait with a press release to at least update your website?

I hope I am wrong, though.