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yapwilliam 2007-09-19 13:55

bluetooth keyboard
 
Hi, does anyone have any experiences in using UBiQUiO Folding Bluetooth Keyboard with Skype Functions with N800? I was thinking of getting one myself, but wasnt sure about it's compatibility. Btw, how useful exactly is a BTKB is in N800? Are we able to fully control all of its functions?

Thanks in advance.

Gilbert 2007-09-19 14:37

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A different approach to Bluetooth keyboards: When on the move, in the office or such I don't need any extra keyboard for my N800. But at home sometimes it would be nice, really nice actually.
So I don't need some fancy foldable keyboard, but a regular desktopsize one would totally suffice, but I only managed to find the apple one (nice, but over the top, and not really international). Also, could there be some PS/2 - Bluetooth adapter on the market?

A question to those who already have an extra keyboard in use: Do any screen-keyboard pop up, or can I type right into textfields, without anything obscuring the screen (i.e. tap or tip keyboards).

Still something else: What's with the "HID" (human interface device?), I just don't manage to find the right info of what that does or needs in terms of hardware.

E-ville 2007-09-19 14:42

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Id also like a list of known working keyboards also.. id lik a folding one but a complete list would be great.

TA-t3 2007-09-19 15:49

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There are lots of very informed threads about keyboards here at this forum, just use the search function. It's all been explained and detailed really.

@Gilbert:
When an external keyboard is in use there's no on-screen keyboard (except for a bug in the microb browser, now fixed I believe).

The HID keyboards are usually easier to set up, as they interface directly with the N800 out of the box. Example: Stowaway keyboards. The serial keyboards usually need an extra driver and setup, provided by an ITT member (link can be found as soon as you start searching for those threads). Example: Freedom keyboards.

gammer 2007-09-19 16:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilbert (Post 76424)
A different approach to Bluetooth keyboards: When on the move, in the office or such I don't need any extra keyboard for my N800. But at home sometimes it would be nice, really nice actually.
So I don't need some fancy foldable keyboard, but a regular desktopsize one would totally suffice, but I only managed to find the apple one (nice, but over the top, and not really international). Also, could there be some PS/2 - Bluetooth adapter on the market?

A question to those who already have an extra keyboard in use: Do any screen-keyboard pop up, or can I type right into textfields, without anything obscuring the screen (i.e. tap or tip keyboards).

Still something else: What's with the "HID" (human interface device?), I just don't manage to find the right info of what that does or needs in terms of hardware.

This one is very nice: http://www.apple.com/keyboard/ (I mean the bluetooth version). I've already touched (and measured) the cable version, and if both pictures are taken from the same perspective then the size of the bluetooth version is approx. 233mm x 108mm. It will be available in a few weeks, and as discussed elsewhere in this forum chances are high that it conforms to HID and will work out of the box with the n800. Not fancy, but very solid and even beautiful.

Gilbert 2007-09-19 16:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gammer (Post 76459)
This one is very nice: http://www.apple.com/keyboard/ (I mean the bluetooth version).

Beautiful, really! And a keyboard-tablet could really suit the internet-tablet, designwise ;) Unfortunately no international versions. And troubling me are the always existant "requirements" of a Mac OSx, on any apple stuff. Nagging, really.

calador 2007-09-19 18:38

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An alternative to the Apple BT keyboard with a similar concept is the Logitech diNovo Edge. It's Bluetooth, thin, sleek, and black (as opposed to white).

For my n800, I actually use the Stowaway Ultraslim Keyboard a lot of people on here use. But the Logitech would work just as well.

As for the UBiQUiO (gawd I hate the lowercase i's), it appears to closely resemble this other Stowaway keyboard. IIRC, it's referred to as the Stowaway Sonoma and you have to do some fancy stuff with kbdd to get it to work (search these forums).

Question to you all:
Has anybody found a way to input ASCII characters/symbols when your BT keyboard is active? Since the onscreen keyboard goes away during BT keyboard usage, I have no idea how to access said symbols.

robmiller 2007-09-19 19:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by calador (Post 76484)
For my n800, I actually use the Stowaway Ultraslim Keyboard a lot of people on here use.

my stowaway ultraslim j, k, l, - and = keys stopped working today. I searched around and found this thread. I've disassembled and believe I've identified the problem, clearly a design flaw. the two keyboard halves are essentially one piece of plastic connected by a ribbon cable, which has to slide when the unit is opened/closed. eventually it will stick, and then eventually the connections will begin to break. I even came up with a design for some plastic guides which would keep the problem from happening, but mine is too far gone to help it. This is after 2 months use; sure its still under warranty, but from where I live returning is a bit of a pain.

my recommendation on the stowaway ultraslim is now a definite "do not buy".

rob.

gammer 2007-09-19 21:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilbert (Post 76463)
Beautiful, really! And a keyboard-tablet could really suit the internet-tablet, designwise ;) Unfortunately no international versions. And troubling me are the always existant "requirements" of a Mac OSx, on any apple stuff. Nagging, really.

At least a german version will be available immediately, as I was told from the local apple shop gravis here in Berlin. The requirements are probably for proper actions of the special keys only. For the 770/800 they can be remapped. 3...4 weeks then we'll know more.

Gilbert 2007-09-19 21:19

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Ok, thanks gammer for the infos, greetings from Vienna :)

Still, one thing bugs me. Doesn't anyone know of a PS/2 to bluetooth adapter (or child USB to bluetooth, for USB keyboards)? So I can plug in any common keyboard into it, and it connects (to the IT) via bluetooth? I just can't imagine there's no such thing, but haven't found anything yet...

gammer 2007-09-19 21:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by calador (Post 76484)
An alternative to the Apple BT keyboard with a similar concept is the Logitech diNovo Edge. It's Bluetooth, thin, sleek, and black (as opposed to white).
....

The diNovo is nice but much larger and probably heavier than the Apple btk. It was in my hands and then I put it away because I saw the price tag.... Almost twice as expensive and a lot of unusable gimmicks.

@gilbert No bt adapter, I have searched and asked a lot for months. Nobody knows about it :-(

VCi15 2007-09-20 07:31

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the dinovo edge is 39.99 at some bestbuy

gammer 2007-09-20 09:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by VCi15 (Post 76575)
the dinovo edge is 39.99 at some bestbuy

In Europe best buy is 139.99 Euros!

calador 2007-09-21 10:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gammer (Post 76587)
In Europe best buy is 139.99 Euros!

Yea hmm. 39.99 at Best Buy for a 150.00 keyboard? Where are you seeing this, VCi15? We'd all like to know d-:

Gilbert 2007-09-21 12:52

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http://geizhals.at/eu/a220267.html Especially sad, since the dollar is so much less worth than the Euro...

Just a reminder, anyone know of a PS/2 or child USB adapter to bluetooth, so a common wire-keyboard can be attached to a bluetooth interface?

luca 2007-09-21 13:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilbert (Post 76869)
Just a reminder, anyone know of a PS/2 or child USB adapter to bluetooth, so a common wire-keyboard can be attached to a bluetooth interface?

This seems to be an often asked question, and the common reply is, no, such a thing doesn't exist, and if it did it'd probably cost more than a bluetooth keyboard.
I'm hoping that someone finally manages to fully enable the usb host functionality in the n800, so you can plug an usb keyboard.

Gilbert 2007-09-21 14:29

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thx luca.

Yes, USB Host would be pretty. But I'd hate to have to hack my IT, fumble along with some sinister settings, bathing my hands in the digital guts. So it will be only official and out-of-the-box solutions for me.
And still I would eagerly shell out more money for an BT adapter than for any BT builtin peripheral, like keyboards etc. Imagine, if the keyboard breaks, just replace it with another 5$ standard keyboard, plugged into the adapter.

So, I'm then still looking for a standard desktopsize keyboard WITH bluetooth, don't need foldable magic for my home.

luca 2007-09-21 16:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilbert (Post 76896)
So, I'm then still looking for a standard desktopsize keyboard WITH bluetooth, don't need foldable magic for my home.

In that case there are several cheap ones on ebay (microsoft bluetooth keyboard), they're in the states though and shipping isn't cheap

Gilbert 2007-09-21 17:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by luca (Post 76925)
In that case there are several cheap ones on ebay (microsoft bluetooth keyboard), they're in the states though and shipping isn't cheap

Luckily, they're on local ebay too, placed a bid already. Thanks again, luca! :)

Gilbert 2007-09-25 19:39

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I'm very happy with my new Microsoft Elite Keyboard for Bluetooth. Writing works good, cursors are a bit laggy, and I have still to find out how to use the function keys corresponding to the Hardware keyboard settings in the System Menue of the N800.

This is a great performance and comfort increase!

johnkzin 2007-10-04 04:14

Re: bluetooth keyboard
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by luca (Post 76872)
This seems to be an often asked question, and the common reply is, no, such a thing doesn't exist, and if it did it'd probably cost more than a bluetooth keyboard.
I'm hoping that someone finally manages to fully enable the usb host functionality in the n800, so you can plug an usb keyboard.


Whether it's a "usb to bluetooth" or "enable usb host mode on the n800" either way I'd be happy. I bought a Dreamgear "Mini key" thumb keypad (intended for use with playstation 2, but it's actual usb) ... wouldn't mind being able to use it as a tiny keyboard for my n800.

(I don't have the url handy, but I'm pretty sure the main site is dreamgear.com ... target has them on sale, on-line, for $20)

brashley46 2008-02-13 15:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by johnkzin (Post 79651)
Whether it's a "usb to bluetooth" or "enable usb host mode on the n800" either way I'd be happy. I bought a Dreamgear "Mini key" thumb keypad (intended for use with playstation 2, but it's actual usb) ... wouldn't mind being able to use it as a tiny keyboard for my n800.

(I don't have the url handy, but I'm pretty sure the main site is dreamgear.com ... target has them on sale, on-line, for $20)

Just picked up one of these; I ran it through the USB adapter I got on another thread, and although the N800 insiststhat it is an "unrecognised USB device, the keyboard actually works. I got it for just under $20 including shipping.


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