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speculatrix 2009-12-08 00:04

Why Open Source Phones Still Fail
 
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2356603,00.asp

"Free software is all about the unexpected. Carriers hate the unexpected.

by Sascha Segan

The ultimate hacker phone, the Nokia N900 is the truest expression of Linux—the OS and the philosophy—that you'll find on mobile this year. It's a great niche gadget. But...."

christexaport 2009-12-08 00:17

Re: Why Open Source Phones Still Fail
 
Whatever. See Android, and then talk again, PC Mag. If partial OSS is good, full OSS should be even better. We'll see how smart PC Mag is when Maemo and Symbian dominate the market as a two pronged approach.

shapeshifter 2009-12-08 00:26

Re: Why Open Source Phones Still Fail
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by speculatrix (Post 415630)
Free software is all about the unexpected.

It is? I guess I missed something. I've heard these more often:

Free software is all about choice
Free software is all about transparency and security
Free software is all about sharing
Free software is all about rms ;)

but "the unexpected"? Uhm, I don't think so >.>


edit:
Actually, after some more thinking, I really have to go on a small rant about this.
"Free software is all about the unexpected". Excuse the language but he just pulled this sentence out of his a s s. It does not have any meaning whatsoever. "Oh, look I'm writing about the mysterious unexpected, oh I like hearing my own voice so muuch". Seriously. If anything, you can just skim over any piece of source code, follow some mailing list, and know about every tidbit of info about the future. Just about nothing is unexpected within free software. There's simply more opportunity for people to do things. The whole process itself is very, very overviewable and transparent. I mean, is closed software less "unexpected"?? Seriously, who writes this stuff... >.>

Tintin 2009-12-08 03:36

Re: Why Open Source Phones Still Fail
 
I respect Sascha Segan a lot (mostly because he is always to make the Apple-fans pipe down a bit and calls them on much of what they claim) - and I'd say he makes a lot of sense even here.

Texrat 2009-12-08 04:00

Re: Why Open Source Phones Still Fail
 
The writer expresses a near-fatal dichotomy between his first and last premises:

Quote:

The ultimate hacker phone, the Nokia N900 is the truest expression of Linux—the OS and the philosophy—that you'll find on mobile this year. It's a great niche gadget. But the idea that free, open-source solutions will sweep the mobile world is just as doomed in the U.S

...

T-Mobile could start stocking unsubsidized N900s to show a different way of thinking from the other major carriers. The carrier could flirt with the geeks to boost its profile, attracting developers and creative types. Maybe this would give the number four carrier a leg up. Geeks may finally find their wireless carrier after all.
Doomed to fail-- oops, spoke too soon: T-Mobile can save the day.

As for his initial point, substitute "uncontrolled" for "unexpected". That's the key here for carriers. What was truly unexpected was the the iPhone would place such a burden on AT&T's networks, making both phone and network victims of their own successes. That had nothing to do, of course, with anything remotely open sourced.

I'm guardedly optimistic. Nokia could drive consumers to demand devices like the N900 from their carriers with compellng marketing. But... so far, no signs it's in the company's DNA...

dba 2009-12-08 04:44

Re: Why Open Source Phones Still Fail
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shapeshifter (Post 415662)
but "the unexpected"? Uhm, I don't think so

What Randall said: think "uncontrolled" rather than "unexpected". The article was clear about the disruptive nature of outsiders playing in the carriers' sandbox, and there are more active projects in the OSS community than the control freaks can contemplate.

DaveP1 2009-12-08 05:17

Re: Why Open Source Phones Still Fail
 
Did anyone actually read the whole article? It's not about what is wrong with the N900 but what is right. American carriers fear the open nature of the N900 because they can't predict its usage(and ATT was burned when iPhone users started to live on the web). They fear geeks for the same reason. The reference to TMobile states that because they are building out their network and it is not yet clogged with data traffic, they might be able to profitably go after the geek market with the N900.

Texrat 2009-12-08 05:31

Re: Why Open Source Phones Still Fail
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveP1 (Post 415894)
Did anyone actually read the whole article?

Yup. My analysis still stands.

ArnimS 2009-12-08 06:02

Re: Why Open Source Phones Still Fail
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 415842)
I'm guardedly optimistic. Nokia could drive consumers to demand devices like the N900 from their carriers with compellng marketing. But... so far, no signs it's in the company's DNA...

Insightful as usual,

how *is* nokia creating an 'image' in the usa?

how would you, Texrat, construct a coherent image campaign? What is the positioning, what kinds of faces do you show? The couple of videos i've seen go in a nice direction.

Nokia can play on the 'made in europe' image more strongly... "you are getting the *mercedes* of phones". It can also really kick apple in the face by showig pros - cool IT dudes - standing IN a server farm and using their phone to ssh in and control the big iron - a real closeup of the ssh session and fast thumbs flying over the keyboard - just for a second. (i know it is pointless to ssh to a machine in front of you, but we are talking about images here)

No time. cheers

aironeous 2009-12-08 06:12

Re: Why Open Source Phones Still Fail
 
tmobile is going hspa+, clog that.


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