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maxilogan 2007-07-16 08:16

Newton - Einstein
 
http://dillernet.com/apple/2007/07/1...s-open-source/

Will we ever see it fully functional, and most of all fullscreen? I could think of buying back an 770 for this... Or if they really can port it to N800 too...

johsua 2007-07-16 09:15

Re: Newton - Einstein
 
I don't understand why it's not rotated by 90 deg? Of course, I don't understand why only fbreader can be rotated, but none of the other programs I use can be. It's a nice function.

maxilogan 2007-07-16 09:37

Re: Newton - Einstein
 
For FB Reader is something built in the program. Being Einstein an emulator, thought for other platforms and ported to the 770, guess that it could be implemented but it still not is.. :(

Rocketman 2007-07-16 09:39

Re: Newton - Einstein
 
Support for screen rotation would be a real nice addition to the Maemo platform. Unfortunately, I don't think it is real high on Nokia's priority list. While it is possible to run the Hildon UI on a laptop or other non NIT device with a high resolution screen, I wonder what accommodation there is currently for running with a lower horizontal resolution, given that the toolbars would be "sqwished."

You might be interested in this article that talks about some of the limitations/faults of the Hildon UI, from the perspective of a Newton fan. The Newton is definitely one device from which anyone designing a UI for a touchscreen based product could learn a thing or two.

Karoliina is also giving a talk about using Hildon on other devices than the NITs at Guadec. It looks like video may be available, so it might be worth watching.

http://guadec.org/node/547

Karel Jansens 2007-07-16 09:44

Re: Newton - Einstein
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by maxilogan (Post 60319)
For FB Reader is something built in the program. Being Einstein an emulator, thought for other platforms and ported to the 770, guess that it could be implemented but it still not is.. :(

The original Newton screen resolution was/is 320x480, and I suppose it's easier to boot early deelopment releases in that resolution. NewtonOS in itself supports higher resolutions, and colour as well, but it's not there yet. Patience...

(I hate Patience. She's a b*tch). :D

maxilogan 2007-07-16 10:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rocketman (Post 60320)
I wonder what accommodation there is currently for running with a lower horizontal resolution, given that the toolbars would be "sqwished."

I was asking for screen rotation support in Einstein, I think that giving the target of the ITT (browsing etc.) the landscape screen is definitely the best option. I do think anyway (maybe it is because I am used at using it that way) that for a PDA a portait is better. That's why I still own two different devices for PDA use and to browse (N800 + TH55)

EDIT: well, if the OS supports higher resolutions than the standard 320x480 screen, guess that the full-screen functioning should be enough, without need for rotating the view.

statwrangler 2007-07-16 11:29

Re: Newton - Einstein
 
A pointer in this thread to an installable package for IT2006 would be helpful to those unfamiliar with compiling.

framerate 2007-07-16 13:32

Re: Newton - Einstein
 
Anyone have this running on N800 yet? I'd love to play with it.

Paul Guyot 2007-07-16 13:38

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Screen rotation is built-in into Einstein, it works very well on MacOS X (as full screen), it's just a little bit buggy on X11 and it needs more work. The file to work on is this one:

http://einstein.googlecode.com/svn/t...reenManager.cp

Instructions for building the binary are available on the wiki, here:

http://code.google.com/p/einstein/wi...ldInstructions

It probably isn't very difficult to build a Maemo interface, I'm just focusing on other parts such as the ARM to ARM new module (executing Newton code nearly natively on the Nokia and other arm-linux PDAs), especially considering that I don't have a Linux box with scratchbox installed, instead I use a port of the CodeSourcery toolchain that I made available through MacPorts.

Concerning the N800, Sean Luke got it running on his. However, when I tried on another N800 at the WWNC, there was a problem with libXau. I cannot fix that myself, but it probably is as easy as putting a copy of this new version of libXau and linking with -L instead of the path to the library.

maxilogan 2007-07-16 14:12

Re: Newton - Einstein
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Guyot (Post 60348)
Concerning the N800, Sean Luke got it running on his. However, when I tried on another N800 at the WWNC, there was a problem with libXau. I cannot fix that myself, but it probably is as easy as putting a copy of this new version of libXau and linking with -L instead of the path to the library.

Wow! Paul in person! Thanks for your interest!

Do the N800 need to get more free memory as the 770 needs, or is the onboard one (which is doubled in regards to the 770) enough?


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