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Brenden 2007-08-26 21:18

New onscreen keyboard
 
I would like to figure out how to replace the current keyboard with an improved version. The current thumb keyboard is good, but it could be better.

It would be kool to count the key presses for 5 minutes of typing to find the most used keys and making them larger. QWERTY is good and familiar, however in an embedded environment it might not be the best choice to use a strictly standard QWERTY layout.

Anyone want to help look into this?

BruceL 2007-08-26 23:24

Re: New onscreen keyboard
 
I'm working on something else, but a neat feature would be a full-sized finger keyboard but instead of having it underneath the active screen, have it be transparent and an overlay. Then you could have a large keyboard AND see your full application.

Bruce

zeez 2007-08-26 23:29

Re: New onscreen keyboard
 
Love the ideas!

Lithorus 2007-08-27 00:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BruceL (Post 71309)
I'm working on something else, but a neat feature would be a full-sized finger keyboard but instead of having it underneath the active screen, have it be transparent and an overlay. Then you could have a large keyboard AND see your full application.

Bruce

I also think it could speed up the device on some pages. When the keyboard pops up the device use quite alot of of time to re-adjust the page to the now smaller window.
Having a transparent page with a keyboard and a field where you can see what you write would be much better than the current solution IMO.

tonymaro 2007-08-27 01:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BruceL (Post 71309)
I'm working on something else, but a neat feature would be a full-sized finger keyboard but instead of having it underneath the active screen, have it be transparent and an overlay. Then you could have a large keyboard AND see your full application.

Bruce

That's what I just implemented for Python and PyGame...

Brenden 2007-08-27 01:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tonymaro (Post 71320)
That's what I just implemented for Python and PyGame...

I think i saw your post about the pygame kbd, but how do we use that to replace the
normal keyboard?

We need to start somewhere. Our ideas are good, we should work together to get it working!

tonymaro 2007-08-27 05:20

Re: New onscreen keyboard
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brenden (Post 71322)
I think i saw your post about the pygame kbd, but how do we use that to replace the
normal keyboard?

We need to start somewhere. Our ideas are good, we should work together to get it working!

You wouldn't want to use Python to implement the primary keyboard - the overhead of loading python would make it way too slow. It needs written in C (which I don't do.)

I'd think it would be easy to grab a screenshot and use that as the background, then draw semi-transparent keys on top of it. Hooking into the GTK events that trigger the keyboard is probably the hardest part.

ragnar 2007-08-27 05:59

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Hello. We did study also a transparent keyboard option, but at least I personally didn't see it really a very viable option in terms of the UI design. The biggest problems:

- Level of transparency. Take a use case like writing in Notes or Email or Chat. It's rather hard to design a level of transparency where you see both the keyboard and the underlying text clearly.
- Moving the cursor (and other interactions). How does the user then move the cursor (or highlight the text) if the keyboard layer comes over the application area. (Using the HW keys isn't really a great solution for that...) Not to mention the other interactions there. What if the user is typing into a small text field and he wants to scroll the field using the scroll bars etc.

For instance this one: http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ead.php?t=9199 (Nice work Tony, btw.) But I really have my doubts whether you can actually see the text behind the keyboard.

ragnar 2007-08-27 06:00

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... But I'll be happy if someone proves me wrong. :)

tonymaro 2007-08-27 15:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ragnar (Post 71353)
- Level of transparency. Take a use case like writing in Notes or Email or Chat. It's rather hard to design a level of transparency where you see both the keyboard and the underlying text clearly.

I agree, but I don't think the real point is to be able to read behind the keyboard. A text input box would be available just like on the current keyboard.
Quote:

Originally Posted by ragnar (Post 71353)
- Moving the cursor (and other interactions).

I think everyone is thinking about the full screen finger keyboard, not the pop-up stylus keyboard, so this doesn't really apply - the keyboard already provides it's own text box and cursor navigation features, separate from the application.

However you are correct - if you shade it darker, and it's on a dark application, it might be harder to see the keys. It's rare that a screen will be so dark that this would be an issue (near black?) but still something that must be considered.


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