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szopin 2015-07-23 19:24
Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 
Not even going into legality of 'we redefine community to fix inherent problem with rules we set up expecting every member to be forever - referendum', this comment from reddit discussion I believe captures reasons to stay anonymous to not become a victim of shaming for wrongthink:
https://www.reddit.com/r/freebsd/com...onduct/ct7dfxs

With twit lynch mobs hanging nobel laureates (check Tim Hunt saga) just based on couple of lying tweets, defence is impossible, so to all saying, join up now, your real name will be easily accessible, sorry, bad idea. Prefer other way of fixing it (active members of tmo? logged in in last year, or posted in last year? whatever, not going to drop that, if it makes me poor community member, too bad)

edit: relevant part:
Quote:

Because of that people on both sides are having their lives permanently (or at least long term) ruined and affected because of stuff going on outside of doxing. Doxing is not difficult to do when people attach their real names to a project like FreeBSD. For the most part it's quite easy with how many interconnected databases there are. Most people don't even bother to use different usernames/pseudonyms for different sites.

I've already contributed some things to FreeNAS and would like to start contributing some things to FreeBSD. However based on my opinions I won't do so because I would honestly feel threatened in my own home.

Threats go beyond calling my employer, calling in fake rape accusations (as happened to /u/xmjEE) and general online harassment. People are now getting swatted over arguments on both sides. I don't want to go to bed every night wondering if my front door is going to be kicked down because someone called in a fake crime. With how things are playing out with US law enforcement when it's "shoot first, ask questions later" it's only a matter of time before someone ends up dead..

Because of people like Randi and her followers me contributing to FreeBSD would genuinely make me fear for my life. This has expanded beyond Usenet flame wars. Real people are being affected in real ways and that is why so many people have issues with both sides.

This all started out in gaming with GamerGate but is now spilling over into the rest of everything computer related. It's a serious issue that needs to be addressed because if it isn't it is only going to get worse from here.

juiceme 2015-07-23 19:30
Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 
I don't really see this as a serious threat in our Maemo community.

szopin 2015-07-23 19:35
Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 
People interact with different communities, GA being real world names is a deal breaker for me. He posted that sympathetic to GG thread on maemo, find the guy on linkedin, email employer (or swat him), those tactics are being constantly used, check the comment I linked, he provides sources/examples.

endsormeans 2015-07-23 19:41
Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 
Anon members posting means inevitable accusation without any possible recourse to face the said accuser.
It also means posting without responsibility...
few people I know of are mature enough for it.

AND IN ANY FORM ...ANON DIALOGUE I AM SOOOO AGAINST THAT.

szopin 2015-07-23 19:45
Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by endsormeans (Post 1477734)
Anon members posting means inevitable accusation without any possible recourse to face the said accuser.

AND IN ANY FORM OF DIALOGUE I AM SOOOO AGAINST THAT.
What do you mean? The freebsd guys were not anon and see how that turned out. People cannot post their opinions freely if their nick can be traced to real world name as they can get fired/swatted/...
Did you check that reddit thread at all? We currently live in a world where twitter mob can ruin your career/life if doxing is easy

Dave999 2015-07-23 19:45
Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 
What happen in TMO, stays in TMO!

Whats anon?

pichlo 2015-07-23 19:54
Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1477735)
People cannot post their opinions freely if their nick can be traced to real world name
You got it the wrong way around. People cannot properly defend themselves if their attackers' nics cannot be traced to a real world name. Hiding behind the cloak of anonymity, what courage, heh?

The same applies, only much more so, to anonymous moderating.

szopin 2015-07-23 19:56
Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1477736)
What happen in TMO, stays in TMO!

Whats anon?
Anon means noone knows your real name dave, so even if in one of your ranty posts you say something 'disgracefully misogynist/chauvinist/sexist' you will not feel real life consequences for it. They will not email your employer, they will not harass your family (we've seen that with one Jolla employee), they will not swat you which in US at least could cost you yours and your loved ones' lives
They can and do go after noble laureates, based on false reporting he got forced to resign from UCL and Royal Society committee (http://unfashionista.com/2015/07/21/...-sir-tim-hunt/ ), they can take down normal people much easier (just check the reddit thread for more examples how wrongthink and not agreeing with them in every possible matter can end up you being the 'offender' who has to be punished)

endsormeans 2015-07-23 19:57
Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 
Honestly ...
If a person is responsible and posting responsibly...
then where is the harm? where is the foul?
tracing back to a real world name so someone can get in trouble with their employer?
Well unless said person is slagging their employer somehow...
or they are playing hookey from work to post..
or the said person is spewwing hate of some kind...
then the employer has no grounds for firing anyone ...period.

Honestly...by your reasoning szop .. browsing...let alone shopping for marital toys online ...let alone just surfing anything potentially controversial even accidentally can net you the desired firing from your employer ...if anyone scopes you who has it in for you...hell they can fabricate whatever they need to....
So technically every last person on this planet is in just the same threat daily...

szopin 2015-07-23 19:58
Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1477737)
You got it the wrong way around. People cannot properly defend themselves if their attackers' nics cannot be traced to a real world name. Hiding behind the cloak of anonymity, what courage, heh?

The same applies, only much more so, to anonymous moderating.
You seem to misunderstand me, defending from someone saying something hurtful on the internet? Just turn around. There, no longer hurt feelings. With your name easily learnable, someone taking offense to one of the joke posts here will cost you your job, bit of a difference


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