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Thanks Estel for your detailed answer, but sorry mate, I am not convinced we should leave everything as it is

Heck, I am not sure if it makes sense to stress my point once again without having a feedback from mod/admin whether this is possible at all...

Oh well here we go,
I think we can agree that with wikis and Post #1īs we have all we need for efficient knowledge sharing - in THEORY!
But, I think no one can deny that in REALITY repeating posts and questions are a problem and annoying!

So, sitting back saying "we have all we need" and, even though it does NOT work, simply accept the situation without even trying to improve something is not a satisfactory answer for me...

Originally Posted by Estel View Post
Reflektorfalke, i know that you mean well and Your idea isn't bad at all, but I'm afraid that it can lead to even more info fragmentation. Now, one can find info on Wiki, on "[Announce]xyq" topic, and probably on few topics related to same things but called about "problems with xyq".
As already mentioned the primary goal is NOT reducing redundant threads but limiting repeating posts within one thread!
For someone not finding the right thread and simply opening a new one, a sticky post would not be of help, of course...

Originally Posted by Estel View Post
For me, only one rationale solution is more discipline about keeping wiki up to date, then responding to questions already covered in wiki by only linking to wiki. Maybe this seems little harsh, but i think that this will both propagate wiki at all + teach offenders to search there first. also, information will be in one place...

Forum = discussions, i.e tracking down problems and making conclusions. when we got conclusion, data goes to wiki. If ever conclusion change due to new discoveries, we can update wiki
We all know this is absolutely not realistic.
Users will never ever be that disciplined.
Besides that a wiki is simply over engineered for most threads.

Originally Posted by Estel View Post
I know that now wiki is little messed up, but i can't agree that it is shitmeat. I found very valuable info there - at least half of things i learned, another half is from forum I'm patient, so it was no problem for me to triple-check every aspect between wiki data / announce data / other topics data, but i must agree, it all would be faster if found just in one place (then, discussion about actual problems in forum).
Again, we simply have to deal with the fact that most users are not as disciplined and patient as you.
Further, your words cry for improvements...triple-check *sigh*

Originally Posted by Estel View Post
Maybe it is even good idea to clear parts of the topic that were already concluded and summarized on wiki? You know, after 14-15 pages of discussion most of the times we already have one or two conclusions - this can be moved to wiki, then related posts on topic deleted. I know that this could be much work for moderators - maybe popular topics, like kernel-power and similiar, should have ''topic maintainers''? Like pali for kernel-power v47, or package maintainer when we talk about [announce]... anyway, this is just idea. Keeping wiki up to date is most important part in my opinion.
We even do net get an answer regarding this topic and you ask for more moderation? Not to speak of complains due to deleted posts...

Ok, here is an example:
A while ago I created this thread in order to sum up another messed up threat in Post #1 and maintained this post with updates, solutions etc.
When the summary got to big I moved it to a wiki which was constantly updated by me and other community members.
All tools and features we have where used to give users an easy way to find available information.
BUT, there where still tons of posts asking for information available in the wiki! Why?
Users just didnīt know there is a wiki...they didnīt know that checking Post #1 might help, or they where to lazy...

I donīt see why trying sticky posts for small summary's and/or a link to a wiki when available would do any harm...
So why not just try it???
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