I've been a mobile consmer for 10-12 years, never seen WinMo in shops. In fact most of this whole thing hinges on MS's lack of prominence in the mobile market, so point proven i think. anyway, this isn't a thread on the virtues and downfalls of MS, Nokia or WinMo. My entire was, and remains, that WP7 hasn't been out long enough to be making any predictions about its longevity. That is all i have to say on that subject and don't want to take the thread elsewhere.