Thankyou for posting the link to that because i gave up with this argument a long time ago because of the likes of wmarone and people like him so now i just let them rant on.

WHEN Nokia finally release FULL source code for this device then we will have a FULL picture of how to deal with the hardware built into the device and untill they settle this with the 3rd party companies involved then parts of the driver structure will remain closed source.

Now it does not even take a bird brain to work out that if your writing an os for a device then it MUST be 100% open source at least to the developers involved and that is not the case yet so the situation will always be a workaround because of legalities surrounding full release of the Maemo source code.

You lot can argue this out among yourselves as i will have no part in it but ask yourself a question... why has it been over 7 month since a release from Nokia and STILL it remains a battle to get the ship sailing without any problems.

All we have got is 3rd party software that requires a specific boot situation to run and will not fire up the device in its own right, is that a way to write an os for a device? no way is it so untill the day comes when we have a COMPLETE OS that takes over the Maemo os in its own right without any programming whatsoever needed from Nokia to enable it to run is the day we can all say it is no longer closed source.

The DE team is doing well to date and as long as it continues to do so will hopefully give us the os we need that overwrites the Maemo os alltogether taking Nokia out of the equation!.