well, the reason i created another thread, and yes i understand it has been discussed ad naseum, was due to the dominant discussion in the other thread is about a phone not pictured in the links ive congregated in the first post. because of this i am trying to fjord a new thread that can mitigate the hijacking the other thread went though. this is just to relieve the pressure and the angst that seems to be building by, separating the two factions. i personally can no longer continue to read that thread, everyone is too eager to ignore whats on the table for the smell coming from the kitchen.