Actually, you're quite wrong on this, on multiple accounts.

The entire Fedora project is based around complete open source. They do in fact call Ubuntu and several other platforms "not open" because they include close-sourced programs and drivers. In order to use Fedora with closed source tools, one must manually add a separate third-party repository to get such items (like flash player, acrobat, and hardware drivers for high-res on some graphics cards).

Calling hardware drivers "irrelevant" seems odd to me. An OS, at it's core, is a base of scheduling systems, resource management APIs, and drivers. At least 30% of any given kernel is drivers, since you need those to do anything with the outside world. Look at most of the bugs in MeeGo and Maemo. Most of them are drivers not handling hardware properly.

I'm not "demanding" a completely open system, though that would be something I'd love to see. All I'm saying is, calling one OS better than the other when they have the same limitations in regard to binary-blob drivers, is silly. Especially when one is still in development with lots of new bugs, while the other has been in the field for three years and is working decently in the real world (albeit with lots of old bugs).

That I think we can agree on. But governance itself is not a substitute for actual code. Compared to iOS, or Android, or even what's left of the council here, MeeGo does win in that regard. I'm just noting that it should be treated as what it is: temporary.

There are very few people here that do this type of work as their main job. I'm blessed in that I get paid to do something I like (very close to this, but not phone/tablet related), though it does tend to limit how much I can contribute to community projects, both for time and logistical reasons.

I agree to a limited regard. Getting people to cross-compile or develop for both targets is a great thing. I'd love to see apps from here move rather seamlessly to MeeGo if it takes off.

I'm just asking that things be talked about realistically, based on where things are, not on where we want or expect things to be in three months. Doing otherwise can cause people to lose interest in both platforms, which helps no one.