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Originally Posted by woody14619 View Post
Tell me, when the Allies took governance of German territories after WW2, was that permanent? When you elect a governor (governance is the act of governing), are they elected or appointed to that position for life? In most democratic countries, when a group or individual is given governance over something, it's term often at the whim of the resource owner, and is by definition temporary.
Everything is temporary, MeeGo's governing body is the Linux Foundation.

Originally Posted by woody14619 View Post
Can you show me even a single example of where governance of a system was given to a group of people for all time, and not rescinded?
I'll let you know when the universe ends.

Originally Posted by woody14619 View Post
That's all fine and good. The problem is MeeGo is not GPL, at least not the parts we're talking about. The drivers and bobbles we're talking about here are under NDA, and are NOT under GPL nor any other open license. That's what this whole discussion is about! Were the drivers and misc bits open-source and GPL, I'd be all behind this in a second. It's not, and probably never will be.
When were we discussing parts? Regardless, you're right, the N900 and in fact any handset for the foreseeable future will have closed parts, deal with it.

Originally Posted by woody14619 View Post
That's great. Tell me, how do you use a browser, email and IM when your wifi driver won't stay connected to an APN? Again, we were talking about the base OS here, not every app ever made for it. And despite Microsofts efforts to try to make it so, a web browser is not part of an OS.
I disagree with pretty much all of that, anyway, I've never had problems with the WiFi on my N900 running MeeGo. So it's probably to do with router & wifi combination. Anyway, it's obviously being worked on, why is it such a major deal for you?

Originally Posted by woody14619 View Post
Yes and no... I was comparing it to the model as it exists now. Tell me, do you think the governance council here (freshly elected) has any voice with Nokia now? Many past council members have said they barely had a voice when it was the big thing. I'd be surprised if they can get someone at Nokia to answer an email for them now...
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Originally Posted by woody14619 View Post
How so? If it's open source, completely open, one can make a complete copy of it and retain it for their own use. The original presenter can in fact go away, or shut down the service/site promoting it. But if others have valid complete copies, how then can it be stopped?
At least we have more upto date components, that are freely distributable.

Originally Posted by woody14619 View Post
The "resource" I'm talking about in this case IS source. Once that's out, there's little one can do to "govern" it, outside of garnering respect from the community and using political sway to guide it. (Linus T. being a pure example of that.) The fact that we're talking about governance means we're talking about a closed resource, virtual or tangible, that has limited availability. Until that availability status changes, that resource, and it's governance, can be revoked by the "owner" at will.
And now back on to source, Maemo is less than 50% open, MeeGo is > 90% open. Also, with having open governance, we have the ability to shape the future of MeeGo, this is something we've never had outside of a consumer-vendor relationship with Maemo in the past.

Originally Posted by woody14619 View Post
MeeGo has several closed bits still, which is what we're talking about here. Nobody is talking about "governance" of Mozilla on MeeGo. It's a moot point, as it's completely open. The governance is around how the closed parts are managed, and the general structure of the system as a whole. Both of which could be pulled back in at will by the collective corporations that hold the key bits to make it work on their devices.
And now you've gone in a full circle. But yes, you're right, no one is talking about Mozilla here, so why bring it up?

I think you're very confused, the MeeGo project doesn't define what is open or closed in a hardware adaptation. You could run a _completely_ free open (as in source) MeeGo based OS on a device where all drivers for the hardware are open. But good luck finding one.

The closed drivers in MeeGo <i>for the N900</i> are re-distributable binary blobs, we were lucky we were given that! And at least now they are up-to-date and have had most of the issues fixed. Good luck back porting it to your closed Maemo platform and having what we now have in "MeeGo N900 Community Edition".

For a competition of "Who's more open?" and your reasons for not backing MeeGo, well, I find your attitude (as well as others') extremely hypocritical.
 

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