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Originally Posted by danramos View Post
It's over. Just admit it already. Elop has infiltrated Nokia and he's begun his treacherous reign by swearing fealty to Microsoft on behalf of everyone in the company. Ruinous lowlife.
I always take the "vampire rule" in regards to infiltration - think: Lost Boys.

If he was invited in, the damage made should be blamed on the person(s) inviting that entity in... I'm still stuck on blaming the board of directors for inviting in Elop.

Originally Posted by abill_uk
Gerbick man you got to agree surely and as i do read your posts with great interest sometimes i might add, the arguments are well ott sorry to say.
Here's where we're just going to have to disagree. Your arguments aren't that well thought out in regards to sales, especially around what will happen simply because it has yet to happen for: Samsung, LG, Dell, HTC have not sold in record quantities. In fact, Dell is basically "dumping" the Venue Pro on eBay direct sales for half price basically.

The whole belief that Microsoft is the answer... I disagree with wholly. I'll caveat my belief by also stating that the N9 is not the answer for Nokia either. Neither phone or phone ecosystem tied to either of those possibilities will help Nokia regain their lost share.

In fact, I bet that it will drop their core share to something half of what it is today in just 1 year - that's called speculation, not fact. Mainly because Zune Marketplace isn't even in most of those places, so that means content isn't there. Now that ecosystem is starting to lack some bite - Microsoft's that is. They're finally testing in Australia now for WP7.

Bada has more exposure to more countries than WP7. And I'd call Bada a niche player.

So no... if you want to discuss rationally things, I'm game and I do not feel as if you're thinking through it all. Elop deserves no praise. No decision he's done so far has furthered Nokia's endeavors nor helped their bottom line. Everything that Nokia has on the plate is for a later delivery.

N9 - later this year. WP7 devices - later this year. Last huge device was a Symbian device (N8)... which they're slowly abandoning and/or have given to Accenture. So... yeah. I don't see any truth to what you and e-boy (forgot his name, not intentional) are ranting and raving about.

I have a WP7 phone. Right now. Let me tell you this... it ain't ready for primetime. I've also played with build 7661 of Mango. Allow me to say that it brings some nice things to the table; still not ready for primetime.
 

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