Although I agree with abill, the facts stand as gerbick states it: It won't happen--Nokia is a crappy company with the immoral but legal right to treat its employees and customers like "human capital". What I think gerbick is basically saying is: stop spinning your wheels in place doing something you can't fix, try to fix something you can. I think most of us can agree with you both on this--no need to argue as if you're not in agreement somewhere in there.