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Originally Posted by ysss View Post
@danramos: remember my post about going to mailing list/irc/etc to talk to council members? is the reason any clearer now?
I'm really not sure. How relevant will these council members be if they're not participating here as well? Are these forums especially excluded from the community? Moreover, especially if they're not, perhaps is that part of the problem? Communications, that is? This was ALSO the problem with Nokia, as I recall.

Originally Posted by ysss View Post
Personally, I was hoping that this thread would be used as a brainstorming/discussion thread about the future of the community... but I'm also pretty much checking out myself from all the nonsense going on here.

Moderation please?
I'm not sure that moderation is the fix here--if anything, the problem appears to be a monopolization of the conversation by far too few people. I wish more people would participate and share some ideas on what to do. I, for one, proposed a move toward the more generalized, and far less brand or trademark specific, InternetTabletTalk where we can all talk about putting various OS's (Maemo, MeeGo, Android, NITdroid, whatever) onto various devices made by various brands. It would at least be different in its legacy (as the first real gathering place on the Internet for tablet owners), heritage (Maemo/MeeGo/burned Nokia customers/etc), slant (more open-source leaning) and community (more tight-knit, shared experiences, we would have a council--something you don't really see with most forums.. shares more in common with local computer groups than forums, but exists primarily on the Internet).

Anyway... I put that out there and that's about the best formula I can think up for a far more resilient and relevant community than the one we currently have making noises at Nokia like hungry chicks begging for the few useless volumes of vomitous disgorgment Nokia feels the mood to permit us to have to nourish ourselves, to support ourselves.

Originally Posted by rotoflex View Post
Visiting this topic today, I noticed that after your post is something I had never seen before: a full page of posts from people on my ignore list, & the start of another page in the same way.
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The topic is of interest, but it has been buried by trolls & self-aggrandizers. This is a plain failure of moderation, a waste of the forum resource, & an obvious fatal weakness of the communtiy structure. The moderators may find the trolls amusing, but they have by not restraining them been complicit in gutting the community structure.
With all due respect, I appear to be picking up some static of irony. Thus far, you didn't contribute anything to this conversation but you are proposing that your ignore list should be the sole arbiter of valuable conversation and opinion. Correct me if I'm mistaken and please feel free to elaborate on your ideas for this community without the fear of censorship and exclusion you appear to want to project upon the others who have been participating.

PS: For each time a moderator has been criticized for not being strict enough, I must counter with my gratitude for a free and open forum for conversation.
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