abill, this isn't only about a todo list. this is a community of ppl doing whatever they do for free. you may fire an employee if he doesn't do what he is asked to do a number of times, but not in an open source community. nobody ever said that open source was the easiest way to develop from an organisational point of view. talking of LF... but even so, maybe the way NOKIA has set up Maemo.org is the best way to go. or was, as long as they were actively supporting it with regular releases of "closed source stuff" that is. living with the uncertainty of how long this is going to continue to be possible respectively moving to a situation where Maemo wouldn't depend on those "regular release" is stressful and maybe the real challenge @ hand... EDIT: as to the 0 & 1s... binary is only of limited use becauserelease they are build/compiled for except reverse engineer the logic, hardly anything can be done with them from a dev point of view