What we really need is more powerful forum software. I've glanced at the built-in vBulletin functionality and it doesn't have the right tools for members to properly separate themselves from the likes of an abill_uk. Maybe in the next few weeks I'll make a server-side software-change proposal that will end these kind of debates once and for all. Then a member could put abill_uk in their own virtual padded cell if he or she chooses to. The moderation could decrease by an order of magnitude, and this would be in Nokia's, the council's and the community's best interest. So, ysss, stay where you are; abill_uk, be quiet until we get the software in place.