i wonder, how long shall i (we) wonder not sure this is the only or even primary reason for ppl to leave the Maemo community... Reggie hosts those forums on his own server(s) and uses two "badges" (talk.maemo.org and forums.internetablettalk.com) for it. i don't think serious developer bother about the forums that much; seems more like an appendix, an outhouse, maybe? >¦-) dada's N950 is used as a primary phone... what do you think we can do if even NOKIA tolerates that kind of hypocrisy? the whole "taking part in the MeeGo competition" was nothing else but a stunt to get a new phone don't throw the baby out with the bathwater... see 1st part; forums are not that important i think the council does a lot more then shows on this threads. everybody needs to come to the outhouse, but only when needed, right? but... honestly, if you weren't looking for some future for your N900, would you come to those threads? can't do all the IDs you listed are on my ignore list (among others) can't see their posts alas relax, make use of the available features, they are more then enough to keep them @ bay. was part of the exercise yesterday too, pointing out that all that fuss about new features was absolutely useless... tried to do it constructively but even so, i think i achieve my goal ¦-)