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Originally Posted by javispedro View Post
What is wrong with the current install procedure btw? That It requires an SD?
Since the last time I looked at it the install documentation is actually a lot better. I like that it's bootable on SD actually, since I can try it and see how it's going. But the install procedure for putting to the internal memory (where everyone will eventually want it to be if it's their primary) is still dodgy.

Originally Posted by javispedro View Post
FUD
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FUD, as seen on the above posts.
Sorry, but reality is there are no plans on the table for ARM based MeeGo devices after the N9. Do you know something I don't? If so, please do share. From what I've seen, the only people promising another MeeGo device is LG, and they aren't ARM. And yes, ARM is in the build, but i386 is in the build for Maemo too, so that doesn't prove a lot. That's not FUD, that's a fact.

As for the "see posts above", what do you mean? This is a back port by definition. It's an OS, designed for the next system, that has hacks put in to make it run on this hardware so developers could "get a jump" on the next big thing.

It was never promised to work on the N900 as an end user system. That hasn't changed. Nokia said as much when PR1.2 came out:
Many of you have been asking whether the new MeeGo platform will be supported on the N900 once it’s device-ready. Although Nokia N900 devices are being used for platform development and testing purposes by those involved in the MeeGo project, Nokia doesn’t have plans for a full scale commercial MeeGo upgrade on the Nokia N900
The MeeGo community has also said as much, and in fact until it became "Community Edition" it was labeled pretty strictly for developers only. Reality is, that hasn't changed much. Even with the name change, most people aren't installing MeeGo and using it as a day to day OS. So again, not FUD; fact.

Originally Posted by javispedro View Post
How many pure N8x0 users do you see these days? 10s? 100?
The initial base for the N8x0 was much smaller, and different, than the N900. The production runs were smaller in number for the N7x0 and N8x0, and both were marketed as a tablet device. The N9x0 was mistakenly marketed in some markets (Europe mainly) as a phone, and in most other places as a cross-over device. But there were a lot more made. I'd venture a bet that there are still more N900s in use now, years after launch, than all the N[78]*0 devices produced (combined).

And yes, the few that are left are running community extensions. I'd bet most people running an N900 in 2 or 3 years will be running Maemo with CSSU. Maybe a few will run Meego... But that would be to fit a specific need. I don't think there would be anyone running it for general use, as would be the case for Maemo.

Originally Posted by javispedro View Post
Allow me to use the above fact to predict
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In less than 3 years, _all of the people who are interested in updates_ will be running Meego CE fully or _at least_ dualbooting it with Maemo.
Well, we've both made our predictions now. We'll have to come back (or more likely, still be here), and see who was closer to the correct answer in 3 years. Again, if I'm wrong, and Meego takes off and becomes a happy, fully functional system... Hey, that's great. I just don't think it will, based on where it was, where it is, and what I've seen before.

Originally Posted by javispedro View Post
From a platform perspective, Fremantle virtually has _already_ stagnated.
You keep saying that... Yet every time my system does a refresh, I'm getting updates to existing apps and libraries. And I'm still seeing lots of activity here. I just don't see it the way you see it I suppose.

Is it just me? I can't help but think of you throwing Maemo on the cart, and it going "I'm not dead yet!", and you replying "You'll be stone dead in a moment!"

Originally Posted by javispedro View Post
And by the way, what do you have against ofono?
Not much... It's just that it's one example of these exact same two companies trying an almost identical thing 5 years ago. I see the same arch happening here, and can't help but predict that it's likely to follow the same path.

Ofono was another Nokia/Intel attempt to make a go at making a "common base" for phone/PDA/handset architecture. It was a nice idea, but it was so open and non-specific as a base that few projects formed around it or adopted it. Those that did all interpreted or implemented the spec slightly differently, and none of it was every really cross compatible.

I see the same thing happening here, with people claiming MeeGo CE and Harmattan aren't really Meego, or they are but it takes some tweaking to make things work. It's like watching the same project happen all over again. Maybe this time things will be different, since there is an example to point to (ala Android) that made it. But I suspect because of the players and the foundation, it's going to end the same way.
 

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